Power Commander vs SERT
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I recently did similarly. I'd only ever gotten the PC-III as an interim measure anyway, as the best of the piggyback units, until I decided what I really wanted to do. I ended up with a TTS tuner. It's the very next iteration of the actual SERT and has much more to offer, including self-tuning at home if desired and fine-tuning the speedometer, etc. Bike ran great on a canned map on the PC-III but it's orgasmic with the Delphi in full and proper control.
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Wow
Glens...that is certainly a glowing review. I've been looking at the TTS Mastertune myself after having the PCIII for over two years. More studying to do and I'll have to wait until after the holidays anyway.
When choosing a EFI tuner there are important factors to weigh including cost, function, and most importantly the support available from the manufacturer or tuning shop. Remember each of these tuners is only a tool, which in the right hands is more than capable of making the adjustments you need for your setup.
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Everytime I read one of these SERT vs PC3 discussions I feel like I need to spend lots more cash for incremental performance gains but then I go out and ride and all that goes away. I figure my bike is within 5% of the best it'll ever run without major changes so why sweat the small stuff? It still makes me smile when I'm riding...
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Dyno sheet numbers really don't mean crap in the real world.............how often do you run at wide open throttle for any extended amount of time?
What is more important is getting a complete tune in all throttle positions.
While you may have only gained 2hp/2tq at wot..............you may have gained 5hp/5tq at say 20% throttle at 3000 rpms. 90% of riding is done between 2000-3000rpms.........that is where you want a great tune done.
Steve
What is more important is getting a complete tune in all throttle positions.
While you may have only gained 2hp/2tq at wot..............you may have gained 5hp/5tq at say 20% throttle at 3000 rpms. 90% of riding is done between 2000-3000rpms.........that is where you want a great tune done.
Steve
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You say you done a before and after. Does this mean you done a dyno with the PC III with the canned map. And then you had them put the sert on and tuned the dyno with it and compared the two. Or were they both peaked out which would take several runs on the dyno and quite a bit of time.
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You say you done a before and after. Does this mean you done a dyno with the PC III with the canned map. And then you had them put the sert on and tuned the dyno with it and compared the two. Or were they both peaked out which would take several runs on the dyno and quite a bit of time.
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The numbers a really not important to me. My bike is much smoother and pulls stronger since the SERT tune AND no popping.
I also forgot to mention another issue with the PCIII. Maybe it's been fixed since but I don't know. That is the delayed starting issue. If you have a PCIII you know what I'm talking about. If not, DO A SEARCH. lol
I also forgot to mention another issue with the PCIII. Maybe it's been fixed since but I don't know. That is the delayed starting issue. If you have a PCIII you know what I'm talking about. If not, DO A SEARCH. lol
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From: Longview, Washington
Dyno sheet numbers really don't mean crap in the real world.............how often do you run at wide open throttle for any extended amount of time?
What is more important is getting a complete tune in all throttle positions.
While you may have only gained 2hp/2tq at wot..............you may have gained 5hp/5tq at say 20% throttle at 3000 rpms. 90% of riding is done between 2000-3000rpms.........that is where you want a great tune done.
Steve
What is more important is getting a complete tune in all throttle positions.
While you may have only gained 2hp/2tq at wot..............you may have gained 5hp/5tq at say 20% throttle at 3000 rpms. 90% of riding is done between 2000-3000rpms.........that is where you want a great tune done.
Steve
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running a canned map on the power commander is not the way to do it.. you should of had them dyno the power comander it only takes 3 hrs for it and a lot less wear on your bike and they would of got your afr right... a sert takes 5hrs to tune....