NITROGEN filled tires ?
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The Company I work for makes Nitrogen generators and currently markets tire nitrogen filling machines of different sizes. We also produce the membrane that is used by most of the other companies that make their own machines. (The membrane is the expensive part). I am familiar with this process and can tell you that it is near impossible to get 100% nitrogen into a tubeless tire. The way it is accomplished in the Truck industry is to pull the valve and deflate the tire, refill with nitrogen, then deflate again and refill again. The subsequent refill brings the concentration of Nitrogen to a higher level (concentration) then just doing it once the first time, since the residual gas inside the tire is partially nitrogen the second time around. You don't need 100% but the higher concentration, the better. By the way, anyone wanting to buy a machine, let me know via P.M. and I can steer you in the right direction. The technology is catching on with the Truck industry (albeit slowly) and with certain brands of autos (Subaru for one) at their dealers. it is a very worthwhile thing to do.. I can also provide more technical info if you need it.
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The biggest benefit is that your tires will not heat up and is the main reason that Nitrogen is used in all Aircraft tires. it also does not expand nearly as much as air, which is caused by temperature swings. (Hot tires expand and can lead to "blowouts", cold tires deflate.) Also, tires filled with air tend to permeate through the rubber which is why your tires deflate over time and need to be checked and refilled periodically. Nitrogen permeation is greatly reduced so your tires are more constant PSI. This all equates to greatly extended tire wear. Less heat build up + constant pressure + reduced loss due to permeation through the rubber = great advantages for any wheeled vehicle.
And for $5-6 per wheel, you don't see any benefits?? Whatever floats yer boat......
Last edited by RODEO; Jan 20, 2009 at 06:16 PM.
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If the oxygen leaks out first, then I guess my tires are about 98% nitrogen by now! B@llsh*t.
When I got a new rear tire, the dealer used nitrogen without asking if I wanted it. Did not pay the extra 6 bucks. But when I got home and checked tire pressure, it was 30 in front and rear. So much for the pure nitrogen.
When I got a new rear tire, the dealer used nitrogen without asking if I wanted it. Did not pay the extra 6 bucks. But when I got home and checked tire pressure, it was 30 in front and rear. So much for the pure nitrogen.
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So you are convinced 100% that his gauge etc was up to snuff and the Mechanic was diligent???
Man, this stuff is proven fact, not snake oil. Dont use it, thats your choice. However if you fly on any Commercial Airliner, please thank GOD that they recognize the benefits and make it MANDATORY for all aircraft tires, which are under severe duty at different altitudes and especially landings.
Go back to your dealer and explain the problem. I can assure you the problem is not with the nitrogen itself. 30 & 30 tells me that is ALL he put in your tires, Knowingly or UN-knowingly, but thats the fact.
This is like you blaming the Motor Oil Company because Joe Wrench forgot to refill your crankcase after changing your oil. That dog just won't hunt!
Man, this stuff is proven fact, not snake oil. Dont use it, thats your choice. However if you fly on any Commercial Airliner, please thank GOD that they recognize the benefits and make it MANDATORY for all aircraft tires, which are under severe duty at different altitudes and especially landings.
Go back to your dealer and explain the problem. I can assure you the problem is not with the nitrogen itself. 30 & 30 tells me that is ALL he put in your tires, Knowingly or UN-knowingly, but thats the fact.
This is like you blaming the Motor Oil Company because Joe Wrench forgot to refill your crankcase after changing your oil. That dog just won't hunt!
Last edited by RODEO; Jan 20, 2009 at 06:29 PM.
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Harry
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that is the dumbest stuff i've ever heard. you should use good quality products that meet the need. price is irrelevant. a 2.50 10mm chinese wrench will loosen your battery terminals just as well as a 20 dollar snap on. now for other applications, the cheap chinese tool will not work as well.
using nitrogen in your tires is snake oil, at least for the average user. for every website that espouses the benefits of it, there are three that show you how it is horse puckey.
but hey, if it makes you feel good to use it, i will not stand in your way.
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And that part I am 100% sure you pulled right out of the Horses Azz... (But it sounded good to you).
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I love (ok, actually despise) comments such as these!
So I spend $20,000 for a motorcycle. That suddenly means that I loose the right to balance need with economy???? Those that make statements like this are also ones that would buy canned air if HD marketed it. Their reasoning would be, once again, "you spent $20k on a bike, and now you're complaining about a $5 can of air???"
Yeah right! Just because my bike cost $20k doesn't mean that I'm going to buy the most expensive items for it just because "I spent $20k on the bike"! If I don't see a valid reason and benfit to using nitrogen, then I shouldn't use it. Doesn't matter if it costs $0.20 or $20 or $200. Same thing with anything else. Do I have to buy $2800 Swizol Divine wax for the paint on my bike? Or can I buy the $4 Turtle wax? Or better yet, what if I don't wax my bike at all!... ... ... Do I have to pay $0.20 more per gallong for Chevron gas instead of ARCO?
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Don't believe in or buy ABS Brakes
Don't believe in or pay for Nitrogen filled tires
it's no skin off our backs
BUT please don't tell us these things don't work or are not worth something to Motorcyclists either because they DO and they ARE.
Don't believe in or pay for Nitrogen filled tires
it's no skin off our backs
BUT please don't tell us these things don't work or are not worth something to Motorcyclists either because they DO and they ARE.
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Man you couldn't be any more wrong. You Sir, are simply uniformed or misinformed.
The biggest benefit is that your tires will not heat up and is the main reason that Nitrogen is used in all Aircraft tires. it also does not expand nearly as much as air, which is caused by temperature swings. (Hot tires expand and can lead to "blowouts", cold tires deflate.) Also, tires filled with air tend to permeate through the rubber which is why your tires deflate over time and need to be checked and refilled periodically. Nitrogen permeation is greatly reduced so your tires are more constant PSI. This all equates to greatly extended tire wear. Less heat build up + constant pressure + reduced loss due to permeation through the rubber = great advantages for any wheeled vehicle.
And for $5-6 per wheel, you don't see any benefits?? Whatever floats yer boat......
The biggest benefit is that your tires will not heat up and is the main reason that Nitrogen is used in all Aircraft tires. it also does not expand nearly as much as air, which is caused by temperature swings. (Hot tires expand and can lead to "blowouts", cold tires deflate.) Also, tires filled with air tend to permeate through the rubber which is why your tires deflate over time and need to be checked and refilled periodically. Nitrogen permeation is greatly reduced so your tires are more constant PSI. This all equates to greatly extended tire wear. Less heat build up + constant pressure + reduced loss due to permeation through the rubber = great advantages for any wheeled vehicle.
And for $5-6 per wheel, you don't see any benefits?? Whatever floats yer boat......