Cam change report
Road Warrior
Joined: Dec 2007
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From: Atoka, TN
We have decided to take our Jackpot "Power Package" a bit further and have got with Bobby Wood on cams. He is sending us some stuff that should complement the Hp/Tq on our Jackpot mufflers and we should have some cam testing completed in the next few weeks. In talking with Bobby I cannot believe how much he knows about these motors and more impressively is willing to share.
Cruiser
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 153
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From: western mass.
255 cams Fatboy build
I have read this thread from the beginning , Thank You , very much . Have just finished a 255 upgrade on my 07 Fatboy as a result of what I read on the original thread. It is absolutely great. I also have upgrades consisting of Arlen Ness " big sucker" from Fuel Moto, PC V upgraded 255 mapping from Jamie,and Khrome Werks exhaust. The bike now runs like a bear and pulls like a little freight train in the ranges that I ride in 1800 to 4500 rpm. and sounds really good , sort of like "glass packs"on the 60's and 70's muscle cars.Go figure , but I love it.
This build is not just for BAGGERS, try it on a Softail , you will be pleased as the 100 or so less lbs weight of my bike enables the cam a little bit more.
Oh, had the build done , new SE 255's, new SE adjustable pushrods, Torrington bearings, gaskets, parts and labor 630.00 by a GEARHEAD HD certified independent guy in my area.
Thanks to all , especially the original Thread Starter ' "will get your name, but right now do not want to lose this reply " and Jamie for the mapping.
This build is not just for BAGGERS, try it on a Softail , you will be pleased as the 100 or so less lbs weight of my bike enables the cam a little bit more.
Oh, had the build done , new SE 255's, new SE adjustable pushrods, Torrington bearings, gaskets, parts and labor 630.00 by a GEARHEAD HD certified independent guy in my area.
Thanks to all , especially the original Thread Starter ' "will get your name, but right now do not want to lose this reply " and Jamie for the mapping.
Road Captain
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 605
Likes: 1
From: Minnesota
Pulling the trigger on the SE 255's
Wow, it's been quite the journey. This is the thread that got me really excited and really confused. It started me on a journey of reading everything on the forum about cams, then the 103 upgrade, dyno tuning and exhausts. It also prompted me to call a LOT of folks, turners, cam manufacturers and mechanics.
In the end, I decided to only do cams to compliment my Stage I. I'm hoping that that will cure the bug as opposed to putting me on an enless journey :-)
One of the things I had read/heard many times that you should replace lifters when you do the cam change. I'm having new lifters, the cams (used with 2,300 miles of the HD owners 110), Torrington bearings and an oil change ... all done by the dealer. I was also very concerned about using canned HD maps and my SERT, so I finally worked a deal to include a fully dyno tune with a baseline pull prior to the work. This way I'll know what I gained (and for what it is worth, what my dyno looks like now!).
Reasons I chose to go the cam route only:
1. cost of the 103 (dealer was giving me a good deal and was including a "low flow" port - valve and head clean up) but still more than I wanted to invest.
2. no break in period with the cams
3. no compression releases required
4. use stock clutch spring (I hope - no slippage) with easy clutch pull
5. all the great posts here about how improved the ride was afterward
6. I'm not that unhappy with where my bike now performs, so not sure I needed to go bigger
I'm having the work done this week, so hope to have some dyno results and the bike back mid next week. Will post and let you know how it goes...hoping for similar gains. I'm guessing in the 7 ft/lb increase and nice curve, but could be more with the dyno tune since I've never done that before.
Thanks to all of you who have shared your experiences, both pro and con. I've learned so much during this journey! I'm sure I'll read this forum a lot more now.
In the end, I decided to only do cams to compliment my Stage I. I'm hoping that that will cure the bug as opposed to putting me on an enless journey :-)
One of the things I had read/heard many times that you should replace lifters when you do the cam change. I'm having new lifters, the cams (used with 2,300 miles of the HD owners 110), Torrington bearings and an oil change ... all done by the dealer. I was also very concerned about using canned HD maps and my SERT, so I finally worked a deal to include a fully dyno tune with a baseline pull prior to the work. This way I'll know what I gained (and for what it is worth, what my dyno looks like now!).
Reasons I chose to go the cam route only:
1. cost of the 103 (dealer was giving me a good deal and was including a "low flow" port - valve and head clean up) but still more than I wanted to invest.
2. no break in period with the cams
3. no compression releases required
4. use stock clutch spring (I hope - no slippage) with easy clutch pull
5. all the great posts here about how improved the ride was afterward
6. I'm not that unhappy with where my bike now performs, so not sure I needed to go bigger
I'm having the work done this week, so hope to have some dyno results and the bike back mid next week. Will post and let you know how it goes...hoping for similar gains. I'm guessing in the 7 ft/lb increase and nice curve, but could be more with the dyno tune since I've never done that before.
Thanks to all of you who have shared your experiences, both pro and con. I've learned so much during this journey! I'm sure I'll read this forum a lot more now.
where are you guys getting the Torrington bearings from?
do you have their parts #'s?
my dealer wants to install the 255 with cam install gasket/bearing kit Harley sells.
but from what I'm reading here most of the parts aren't needed.....
I'm hoping to have them installed in a few weeks.
thanks to all for the great info.
Ben
do you have their parts #'s?
my dealer wants to install the 255 with cam install gasket/bearing kit Harley sells.
but from what I'm reading here most of the parts aren't needed.....
I'm hoping to have them installed in a few weeks.
thanks to all for the great info.
Ben
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
where are you guys getting the Torrington bearings from?
do you have their parts #'s?
my dealer wants to install the 255 with cam install gasket/bearing kit Harley sells.
but from what I'm reading here most of the parts aren't needed.....
I'm hoping to have them installed in a few weeks.
thanks to all for the great info.
Ben
do you have their parts #'s?
my dealer wants to install the 255 with cam install gasket/bearing kit Harley sells.
but from what I'm reading here most of the parts aren't needed.....
I'm hoping to have them installed in a few weeks.
thanks to all for the great info.
Ben
If you DIY be very careful about the o-rings in the cam chest. If they are not positioned correctly they can leak and cause sumping, requiring you to pull the cam chest apart again to fix it.
thanks. i guess i'll need two of them right? i plan on buying them and some of the other parts,like the adj. pushrods and suppling the dealer to help keep the costs down,and to not buy more then what is needed.
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Extreme HDF Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 11,615
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
Yes, two inner-cam bearings are needed. If you go with adjustable pushrods, consider the tapered variety, as I've heard they are better and cost only $20 or so more. If I had not reused the stockers I would've probably bought the SE tapered adjustables.
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Road Captain
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 605
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From: Minnesota
Torrington bearings
My dealer ordered the Torrington bearings. He gave me a 10% discount as part of their winter service specials $9.95 before discount.
His part # 0924-0107 Bearing cam 06dyna, 07-8BT
His part # 0924-0107 Bearing cam 06dyna, 07-8BT