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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 09:54 AM
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Pulstars right now are what has been in my bike about 5-6k miles. Starts a little quicker and seems to run a little crisper. Never been on a dyno to compare.

Before you dinosaurs start flaming away remember it is not bash the spark plug question.

If all a bike needed was a spark in the chamber and new design plugs did not make an improvement then why are the big three using modern design plugs.

For me with the few different plugs I have tried in my post 2003 HD motors these Pulstars are the best of the bunch.


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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 10:06 AM
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My Indy recommends autolite plugs. I have used those and the OEM. I used iridium in my 07 flstf but could not tell if it made any difference.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bigheadted

If all a bike needed was a spark in the chamber and new design plugs did not make an improvement then why are the big three using modern design plugs.
Not gonna bash or screech. All a bike (any spark ingnited engine for that matter) needs IS a spark in the chamber; that's what a spark plug is supposed to do- spark on cue. Gas ignites, engine runs. Not much more to can be gained, in my opinion.

If by the big three, you mean GM, Ford, and Chrysler- your logic is a bit flawed.

The reason that car makers use the plugs they do is to extend the spark plug change interval. It's a royal PITA to reach the plugs on some cars, especially transverse mounted V6- try reaching the back 3 plugs. No thanks.

My car has a 100K mile plug change schedule. They use expensive iridium (or whatever) plugs to reach that 100K mile lifespan. Not because they "spark" better, but because they last a long long time.

The service for my Limited calls for new plugs every other year- and they're very easy to change. And they're relatively inexpensive.

You like pulsars, or whatever, more power to you, it's your bike and your money.

Ride on.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:55 PM
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There are advantages to exposing the spark in a certain way. Index washers aren't made for looks. But the gains are very small in applications where they have exhausted every other path already to gain hp. With the kind of parasitic drag our bikes have it's likely you wouldn't see any gain.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 01:47 PM
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Standard NGK period!
 
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 02:23 PM
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Was at my local Harley dealer yesterday and had a chat about plugs. Was picking up some for my 09 Electra. The service manager said they have found through servicing the bikes that there is no difference between Harley stock $5.49 (Canada) stock plugs and other other plugs in Harley bikes in performance or gas mileage, particularly the touring bikes. Revisited the point that it is a matter of maintaining the machine for optimum performance ie; regular filter, plug, oil changes in the 5000 km range. Said not to waste my money of the $24.95 SE plugs or any other expensive plugs.

I do business with this dealership on another basis so did not expect any B.S. stories about how great the more expensive plugs will make my bike run and did not get any. We sometimes convince ourselves that the bike, boat, car, sled etc is running much better because we have attached some expensive part to it when in fact if we dynoed it or actually calculated the mileage differences they will be non-existent or negligable at best.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gs34doc
You might want to do a search and read up on the Ion Sensing System used to control detonation on the electronic bikes.
Best thing you can do is stick with the stock plugs and wires.
For those of us with electronic motors, this is the ONLY post to read. Anything else and you're probably hurting output power. I run SE wires and V-Rod 10R12A/32335-04 plugs in my SGS 120R. I will play with gap however. I'm am very happy with this part of the motor and I'm an obsessive spark plug reader. Only way to really tell what's going on in the combustion chamber.

Used to index plugs in the dual-plugged Shovelhead chop but newer chambers have improved swirl.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 01:05 PM
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If you want to get more out of your plugs, give them more power!

I changed to Accel Super Coils last year and can't get over the improvement. I am currently using S.E. Plugs that I got to try to clear up the error codes for knock problem. Turned out I had a bad connection post on the coil.

One of the best mods I have ever done for what it's worth.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 02:49 PM
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there is a rumor that if you index your plugs you can gain about 1 HP. I know...whoop whoop!
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 05:31 PM
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There are differences in plug performance. It simply is not that all are identical.

Do research on testing not submitting personal opinions.

The iridium plugs are now used in all Toyota, GM and other makers because of their advantages. If they did not do the job car manufacturers use the lowest cost product that they can and not the higher priced like iridium plugs.

In a lean burn engine the concentrated spark from the tiny iridium wire ignites the mixture faster which in return facilitates more of the charge to be burned during the power stroke.

What does that mean? First from 1 to 3 % more power, less fuel emissions and better miles to gallon. Now it is a very small gain but a gain never the less.

The ever increasing regulation to achieve higher mpg's and lower emmisions has lead the car companies to rely on all the strategies that they can. That is why the more costly iridium plugs are in their cars.

Now if you have a high compression built engine whether in a hot rod or bike with the proper AFR then there is no gain from iridium plugs. The old copper core is still the best in that use.

Now in a low compression lean burn (14.7 to 1) 103 at 70 hp there can be a gain of .7 of a hp up to about 2 hp. And don't you just love that your carbon foot print would be a small iota less? And the icing on the cake is about a mile per gallon more.

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