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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kingkingking
mmm, sounds like an old wives tale. The oil is so slippery that bearings no longer rotate, they slide??

As someone said earlier, if this was the case then the sliding bearings would not wear as they have so little friction with their surroundings due to this wonder oil. If there was any friction the bearings would simply rotate and not wear. This sounds physically impossible to me.
It's like spinners on the ghetto rides. You have to have enough friction to make them spin yet not to much so they slip.
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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Do you guys also believe the earth is flat?

How can you tell someone at the dealership is lying?

They have their hand in your pocket.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 09:35 PM
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They recommended me to switch back to fossil which is cheaper. How do they have their hand in my pocket?
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 09:48 PM
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i've heard different comments,, runnin stnth oil after first oil change is no problem, as engine gets used to it ( a very good oil with cleaning agents) ive had folks say dont run it in a bike that has lotsa miles on it with dino oil(over 30k miles) reason is that it will tend to wash out deposits left by the dino oil and will become noisier inside ... i have seen this happen with autos too. they changed oil types in an older car, . within 2 weeks it started getting noisy inside, a friend bought car at a bargin price and changed oil back to the dino type , 1 week later ,engine was quiet again. this aint BS its jmo
 
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Why don't you take some time to educate yourself about oils? There is a wealth of info right here in 1000s of previous posts. In the end, it is a subjective choice.

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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 09:54 PM
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running syn for 3 years...no problems at all
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1931jamesw
Im glad you asked. Ive heard the same thing. I was told that the needle bearings are failing because it is too slick and they skate rather than roll causing flat spots on the needles that leads to them failing. I am running the regular HD oil in my evo motor right now and bel ray synthetic in the tranny. I just ordered a new bike though and I understand the factory uses the synthetic in them?
I find it hard to believe that this totally ludicrous concept is still floating around at all, let along being uttered by an HD dealer. Well, maybe not.

I first heard this comical idea in 1998 and even though I knew it was false I talked to some petroleum engineers I knew at the local Exxon-Mobil refinery. They thought I was joking, but assured me it was a false notion. I then called Torrington, the well-known bearing manufacturer, and talked to one of their engineers. He said he had not heard anything so preposterous in his career. His response was that if the lubricant was too slick to spin the bearing it would also be too slick to cause wear. Makes sense. He also said the only way a ball or needle bearing could "skate" is in a centrifuge where there is no load on the bearing at all, and that would never happen in an engine. There is always load, even when running in neutral.

Anyway, if they are having bearing failures at that dealership it isn't because of the synthetic oil being used. In my case I was using synthetic oil in the bike I owned in 1998 and continued using it 'til I sold it in 2006. It now has 120k miles on the clock and the heads have never been removed, thus no engine work at all, not even a top-end overhaul. I've also been using synthetic oil exclusively in my '07 bike, except for a brief break-in period, with no problems at 27k. This has to be one of the most asinine and baseless old wives tales I've heard in 45 years of riding bikes, and I'm very surprised it hasn't been relegated to the dust bin of baseless ideas concocted by the uninformed. It is truly idiotic.

To the OP and some others responding to this thread, you guys should do some research on oil if you believe the "skating" myth or any notion that fossil oil is the better choice. Synthetic oil is superior to fossil oil in that it can tolerate higher heat before oxidizing (breaking down). If you must use fossil oil change it more often, like every 2500 miles. Any name-brand synthetic will work well in your HD and can be changed at 5K intervals.
 

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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 01:27 AM
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Thumbs up synthetic oil

My 2000 RG made 119,000+ miles with the majority of that being with syn3 .
 
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by iclick
His response was that if the lubricant was too slick to spin the bearing it would also be too slick to cause wear.

This has to be one of the most asinine and baseless old wives tales I've heard in 45 years of riding bikes, and I'm very surprised it hasn't been relegated to the dust bin of baseless ideas concocted by the uninformed. It is truly idiotic.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:17 AM
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Another guy here with preferred choice of synthetic oil with no problems since 2002 with all of my vehicles, motorcycles and snowmobiles. Expensive, Yes...Well worth it, Yes...Any regrets, Heck No.

Synthetic Oil's the best,

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