Sharing PCV Maps
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Cruiser
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Sharing PCV Maps
I am a rookie here but I have a question that may or may not be a stupid one. .
I know the old arguement that all bikes are a little different but I'm wondering just how different the stock bikes could really be.
Lets say that I have an 09 Ultra with a Power Commander 5, Sream'n Eagle AC kit and Monster Oval mufflers. The canned maps on the Dyno Jet site and from Fuel Moto are OK but I'm hearing that I will be able to get a much more accurate tune with a Dyno run.
So instead of paying $250 and puting my bike through the stress of a Dyno Tune, why not just borrow a PCV map from someone here that has already had a Dyno on the exact same set-up?
I guess another question is this. Once a person pays for a Dyno run, does the map become his property to with as he pleases?
Thanks
I know the old arguement that all bikes are a little different but I'm wondering just how different the stock bikes could really be.
Lets say that I have an 09 Ultra with a Power Commander 5, Sream'n Eagle AC kit and Monster Oval mufflers. The canned maps on the Dyno Jet site and from Fuel Moto are OK but I'm hearing that I will be able to get a much more accurate tune with a Dyno run.
So instead of paying $250 and puting my bike through the stress of a Dyno Tune, why not just borrow a PCV map from someone here that has already had a Dyno on the exact same set-up?
I guess another question is this. Once a person pays for a Dyno run, does the map become his property to with as he pleases?
Thanks
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2008
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From: The Great Northwest
Not a dumb question at all.
My guess is that the "canned" maps that you can download from the Dynojet site are developed on the Dyno with the various set-ups, so what you are asking for is what you can already get. I figure the same is the case with the maps that come from Fuel Moto. So it comes down to who is the better tuner. Plus I suspect that all bikes ARE a little different.
But..... I think it might be worth looking into finding the "best numbers" map with your exact stage 1. Keep in mind that a good tuner will sometimes map the bike to the specific needs or requests of the rider, ie... fuel economy, city, highway, altitude, heat management, etc.
As to the question of who owns the map after a Dyno, I'd say it's yours to do with as you please.
My guess is that the "canned" maps that you can download from the Dynojet site are developed on the Dyno with the various set-ups, so what you are asking for is what you can already get. I figure the same is the case with the maps that come from Fuel Moto. So it comes down to who is the better tuner. Plus I suspect that all bikes ARE a little different.
But..... I think it might be worth looking into finding the "best numbers" map with your exact stage 1. Keep in mind that a good tuner will sometimes map the bike to the specific needs or requests of the rider, ie... fuel economy, city, highway, altitude, heat management, etc.
As to the question of who owns the map after a Dyno, I'd say it's yours to do with as you please.
Road Captain
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From: Arlington, TX
There is a site that there are maps available on and a tech from Dynojet parks there and helps people tweek their maps. It is another Harley forum site. I got a map off of there for my PCIII and then after trying it had a few issues and the Dynojet man made some adjustments works great now and get 38 mpg.
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Road Warrior
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Sure, why not? Lots of people on this site are more than happy to give out free advice to help others get their bikes running better. I wouldn't have any problem with that at all. But I for sure would tell anyone using my map to use it at their own risk and not come whinning to me if their bike blows up.
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This is the exact reason we purchase these bikes for R&D and we spend countless hours testing exhausts and building fuel maps to support our map database. This process involves extensive testing, datalogging and tuning well beyond what many tuners consider building a map at a consumer level. Our maps are developed on our dyno for a specific setup and in many cases when the map is finished we will log some miles with the Auto Tune to check the map dynamically. We may not have a map for every setup but we have most popular setups covered. As far as your bike with V&H Monster Ovals and Stage 1 air cleaner this is a setup we have the exact map for which you should find works very well. I guess my question would be if you are not having any issues what changes are you looking for in a new map or what do you want the bike to do that it is not doing. Let me know and I would be happy to help out.
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The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
Contact 920-423-3309
Email jamie@fuelmotousa.com
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2008
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From: The Great Northwest
This is the exact reason we purchase these bikes for R&D and we spend countless hours testing exhausts and building fuel maps to support our map database. This process involves extensive testing, datalogging and tuning well beyond what many tuners consider building a map at a consumer level. Our maps are developed on our dyno for a specific setup and in many cases when the map is finished we will log some miles with the Auto Tune to check the map dynamically. We may not have a map for every setup but we have most popular setups covered. As far as your bike with V&H Monster Ovals and Stage 1 air cleaner this is a setup we have the exact map for which you should find works very well. I guess my question would be if you are not having any issues what changes are you looking for in a new map or what do you want the bike to do that it is not doing. Let me know and I would be happy to help out.