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Dec 2, 2009 | 05:15 PM

#21

'05Train

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From: 'Noke, VA

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Originally Posted by Scubadog

A lot of people see and beleive things differently depending on what they happen to own and ride. If you want some fact based non-biased test information about how the CAT on the 2010's affects heat, just read post No. 14 on this thread.

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...st-info-2.html

No disrespect to Jamie, but someone selling a catless head pipe is not "non-biased". I don't think he's willing to risk his reputation giving out BS information in order to sell parts, but he has a vested financial interest in convincing people to swap out their stock head pipes.

I do however appreciate the fact that he posts so many dyno charts, especially ones like this one which don't show dramatic gains (unlike the ad claims that an air filter will give you "21% more HP").

The converters offer a restriction and run hotter.....that's what they do and how they work. The question is, "does it matter?". I don't know, but I think there's a lot of internet hysteria about all the problems surrounding Harleys, and I think a lot of people have made a lot of money capitalizing on that hysteria.

I would be far more concerned about the cat breaking down over time, and chunks of it getting pulled back into the cylinders by the vacuum created by suddenly letting off the throttle. I'm especially concerned with that after hearing the news that the ethanol content of gasoline is about to be upped to 15%.

Of course, maybe that's internet hysteria too.

Dec 2, 2009 | 06:10 PM

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DocHarley

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From: South Fla.

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Originally Posted by ericl

Doc, can you post the results, what did the system run you?

Total for 2-1-2 exhaust pipe, Jackpot tuned mufflers and PC-V from Fuel Moto was $1,118.00

My bike is a 2010 so I have the 2-1 exhaust. The cost from Harley for the extra parts needed to convert 2-1-2 was $300.47. The big expense was the LH heat shield $152.10 and the crossover pipe $87.30.

Total invested..... $1418.47

I will post results soon after the installation is complete.

BTW, the crossover pipe is back ordered, estimated time for arrival from Harley is unknown.

Dec 2, 2009 | 06:27 PM

#23

brockstwrt

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From: Fargo ND

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Originally Posted by ericl

So is the consensus to leave it on, drill it out, change the pipes?

I drilled mine out for now. Runs cooler, no service codes,exhaust is louder (still not throaty) but I'm glad I drilled it and it will do untill I figure out what pipes, cam, tuner, air filter kit, and how i'm gonna pay for it all.

Dec 3, 2009 | 12:55 AM

#24

NoCoLoco

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From: Northern Colorado

Congrats on your new scoot!!!

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Dec 3, 2009 | 01:13 AM

#25

DHart

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From: Vancouver, WA

I found my stock 2010 FLTRX to have excellent power... about on par with the 95" big bore kit and V&H Dual ovals I had on my 2004 Road King Custom. No complaints about heat either, but I bought the bike in fall in the Pacific Northwest, so no hot weather to test. Sound of the stock exhaust was not bad and comfortable volume... nice, actually, after a number of years with some loudish pipes.

So, power? √ Heat? √ Sound? √ Volume? √ All not bad.

Now, getting to throttle response... sluggish compared to a free breathing system. Something that almost borders on unsafe in my view. I was used to a throttle that reacted immediately and a lot of low end torque to thrust the bike when I wanted it to GO! The new stock bike just didn't respond nearly as nicely.

So, in the tradition of my previous two Harleys, I decided I needed a free flowing engine, and a modest bump in displacement. Ordered a D&D 2-into-1 exhaust to be rid of the catalysts and gain free flowing exhaust. And a 103ci Stage 1 big bore kit to open up the throat and beef the displacement.

So far, just the exhaust system and A/C have been changed and the increase in throttle response is amazing. Now the throttle reacts more quickly for off the line moves, as well as with "double clutch" downshifts. I love it. In fact, the power and responsiveness is such that now I really don't feel the need to install the big bore kit and SEST! But since I have the parts already, I'll probably do that at some point before too long.

There is something nice about knowing the cats are gone. And the engine really feels quite liberated now. Perhaps a freer flowing slip on and A/C would also improve throttle response (keeping the headers & cats), but I see no point is keeping the headers with the cats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHO4kRI7cS0

Last edited by DHart; Dec 3, 2009 at 01:24 AM.

Dec 3, 2009 | 02:56 AM

#26

Casper

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From: Blue Grass (KY)

Question, I have a 2010 RG, would the 2010 exhaust from say a EGC or Ultra fit? to have duel exhaust....just wondering.

Dec 3, 2009 | 08:00 AM

#27

geezer glide 56

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From: Mississippi

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Originally Posted by Casper

Question, I have a 2010 RG, would the 2010 exhaust from say a EGC or Ultra fit? to have duel exhaust....just wondering.

Should bolt right on with no problems.

Dec 3, 2009 | 09:33 AM

#28

ericl

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From: Port Neches Texas

the sad truth regarding the Cat. Converter is that last year it was Cal. bikes, this year the touring bikes, next year will be all bikes. I will more than likely ride stock for a while, order a complete exhaust as DocHarley, hang the stock system on the wall for the inevitable future. Based on were you live in Texas vehicle emissions testing may or may not be protocol. I had a truck with an expired inspection sticker, while riding the ferry from Bolivar to Galveston (great place for DPS to hang out and check windshields) I received a ticket. knowing i would have the same issue on my return, i went to have my inspection done in Galveston. Low and behold the emission test. I know should have had the inspection done at home prior to. Bottom line is like it or not and from the gun tote'n state I do not. the cat systems unfourtunatly seem to be here to stay.