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Old May 7, 2010 | 09:58 AM
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I just did my Stage 1 upgrade. I am really happy with the sound, and the fact that my right leg is not on fire while in traffic. However, I am not noticing ther performance gain that is talked about on the forums. For those of you that have done the Stage 1 upgrade all at once, what was the biggest thing you noticed in regards to performance? I am beginning to think I was looking so hard for a seat of the pants difference that I have played mind tricks on myself.

iClick helped me check some of my PCV settings, as well as made some suggestions about some possible mistakes I had made, however, after checking his suggestions it seems as though I am setup correctly. I guess I just need some direction in noticing what is different about the performance of a Stage 1 bike. Or maybe I am just looking too hard.
 
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Old May 7, 2010 | 10:08 AM
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I just did my Stage 1 upgrade. I am really happy with the sound, and the fact that my right leg is not on fire while in traffic. However, I am not noticing ther performance gain that is talked about on the forums. For those of you that have done the Stage 1 upgrade all at once, what was the biggest thing you noticed in regards to performance? I am beginning to think I was looking so hard for a seat of the pants difference that I have played mind tricks on myself.

iClick helped me check some of my PCV settings, as well as made some suggestions about some possible mistakes I had made, however, after checking his suggestions it seems as though I am setup correctly. I guess I just need some direction in noticing what is different about the performance of a Stage 1 bike. Or maybe I am just looking too hard.
I think this may be the case...There really is only so much a Stage 1 can do but, look at it this way, with your PCV (as well as pipes & A/C) puchase out of the way now your ready for a set of cams! That will really wake her up!
 
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Old May 7, 2010 | 10:21 AM
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Yep, there's not really a drastic, noticable difference in performance after a Stage 1 upgrade. You should notice a difference in heat (reduced), and a probable decrease in mpg too.
 
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Old May 7, 2010 | 11:29 AM
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Based on the little research I did, your gaining just a bit more power that most people can't even notice. The significant difference is that your engine will be running much cooler which would make you and the engine a little more comfortable. If you want more power, than you might consider building up the engine, cams, etc, or getting a rice-rocket. My opinion and the headaches of some of my friends, if you start messing with the engine, you may start having problems. I'm not saying that happens to all up grades, I'm just telling you of what I've learned and what my buddies have been through. HD has come along way with building a great motorcycle. They have spent millions on research to get where they are now. If you leave the engine alone and service your bike as recommended by HD, your bike will last you for many years. I'm totally stoked with my bike. Plenty of power and great handling with the new frame. I'd rather spend the money on chroming it out than spending hundreds for 10- 20% more horsepower. I hope this helped. Good luck.
 
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Old May 7, 2010 | 01:09 PM
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I didn't really notice anything with the Stage One DL (I have VH pipes, Stage One AC too) but it does extend your red line to 6200 rpm; which I never thought I needed until I used it once on the freeway pulling away from some danger; that was nice to have right then.
 
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Old May 7, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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If you get a SEST - I know $500 - you'll be able to get it tuned to get the extra ponies loose. The add on stuff is not the same as changing the EFI itself.
 
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Old May 7, 2010 | 01:18 PM
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I dunno. I gotta stage 1 on the 09 SG; rineharts, ness A/C, PC-V and am realll happy with my performance and would rate it way up there as far as stock. It kicks *** by edge of the seat dyno. I have the Woods tw6-6 cams, not installed yet though and was told to get ready to get equally that excited again as that "dyno by the seat of the pants" will repeat itself again with the cam addition, according to Fuel Moto. I expect to be up to be up in the high 80's HP wise and in the high 90's TQ wise and I say this conservatively.
 

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Old May 7, 2010 | 01:20 PM
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I always thought stage one included remapping the computer. You're not going to notice any change without it. The difference with my RK was significant. The engine revves freely to redline where stock it seemed to start wheezing around 3000 rpms. Bike had a noticible power increase also. My Heritage I had the stage one as soon as I bought the bike. The RK I waited about 6 months.
 

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Old May 7, 2010 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lionsm13
I dunno. I gotta stage 1 on the 09 SG; rineharts, ness A/C, PC-V and am realll happy with my performance and would rate it way up there as far as stock. It kicks *** by edge of the seat dyno. I have the Woods tw6-6 cams, not installed yet though and was told to get ready to get equally that excited again as that "dyno by the seat of the pants" will repeat itself again with the cam addition, according to Fuel Moto. I expect to be up to be up in the high 80's HP wise and in the high 90's TQ wise and I say this conservatively.
So what exactly was noticeable about it? Shifting up through the gears quicker or what exactly was it?
 
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Old May 7, 2010 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by barjbar
I always thought stage one included remapping the computer. You're not going to notice any change without it. The difference with my RK was significant. The engine revves freely to redline where stock it seemed to start wheezing around 3000 rpms. Bike had a noticible power increase also.
Wouldn't a PCV qualify as that?
 
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