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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 11:00 AM
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Ok, so I'm looking into getting the autotune module and running it for fuel economy with a map switch setup for power/cooling. I plan on getting an oil cooler (maybe ultracool?) so I can run a leaner cruising mixture.

Anyway, I would like to mount the switch in one of the empty switch areas on the fairing and I really like how they're set up to light up when activated! Is there any way to wire that switch to still light up when activated while not running power to the map switch wiring? Seems to me like it *should* be possible somehow, but I'm not that great with wiring!

Any ideas or am I trying to do the impossible here? Also, any good recommendations/pros/cons about different oil cooler setups? I live in Oklahoma, so it can get really hot!

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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 11:28 AM
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I was thinking the same thing.

I never took enough time to figure out how to get the power to the LED without it running through the PC5.

I originally thought a DIODE.. but there is enough volt and amp that causes interferance and didnt work.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 11:31 AM
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as far as the oil cooler goes i have an ultra oil cooler it works great and does the job well. but u will get other people chiming in about the hd or jagg oil cooler some of the people on here chose not to buy the ultra oil cooler cuz the manufacter did not answer there questions. as well as some didnt like the design i think its the best investment i have made for my bike. if your interested email dr vtwin on the forum and he will give u a great price. good luck and ride safe. ask for shawn or drew.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PappyUSMC
I was thinking the same thing.

I never took enough time to figure out how to get the power to the LED without it running through the PC5.

I originally thought a DIODE.. but there is enough volt and amp that causes interferance and didnt work.
In my head, I think there should be a solution to this...so I'm just waiting for an electrical guru to pop in here with an answer :-p
 
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBurninator
Ok, so I'm looking into getting the autotune module and running it for fuel economy with a map switch setup for power/cooling.
I did a write-up on this subject here.

Anyway, I would like to mount the switch in one of the empty switch areas on the fairing and I really like how they're set up to light up when activated!
I'm using a second ACC switch, but you can't get it to illuminate since there is no current flowing through the switch when used with the PCV, as it only senses continuity. If you found a DPST switch that had a separate circuit for a light you could get it to work, but I see no need. When the switch is in the ON position, toggled toward the LED, Auto-Tune is in learning-mode (active), and otherwise is running from the base map.

Is there any way to wire that switch to still light up when activated while not running power to the map switch wiring? Seems to me like it *should* be possible somehow, but I'm not that great with wiring!
Not without re-engineering the switch, and I don't think you can disassemble it.

Any ideas or am I trying to do the impossible here? Also, any good recommendations/pros/cons about different oil cooler setups? I live in Oklahoma, so it can get really hot!
The HD Premium cooler works well for me, and I'm using very lean (near-stock) AFRs with my PCV-AT setup.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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Far from being an electrical guru but seems to me you should be able to put a relay off of the ACC switch and have the LED on the switch light and still not put any power to your PCV.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 10:39 PM
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I know it's not necessary at all and that another ACC switch will work just fine, I just would like to have it lit up to indicate that AT is active...just eye candy really, but if it can be done, I'd like to do it :-)
 
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Far from being an electrical guru but seems to me you should be able to put a relay off of the ACC switch and have the LED on the switch light and still not put any power to your PCV.
You can't do it without re-engineering the switch, and I don't know if that's possible or even if you could disassemble the switch. If you look at the attached schematic you'll see that both the switch and LED are fed from the same source (OR) and are linked. Once you flip the switch you complete the circuit which feeds 12V to both the LED and the switch. So if you insert 12V to the LED it will bleed over to the main circuit, and you can't do that. The PCV needs only to see a completed circuit and isn't designed to handle current.

FWIW, you can use the standard ACC switch if you remove the P&A fuse in the fuse box, which on my '07 feeds only that switch. OTOH at least as far back as '09's use it for the lighter and '10> add the heated-grip circuit, so check your wiring diagrams.
 
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My understanding of a relay is to separate a control and a power circuit. If you provide power to the coil side of the relay you should get continuity through the switch side without any power going through it.

I'd be interested in an electrical guru helping out here as well, before I mess up my PCV.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 07:01 PM
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A relay is the way to go. Use the powered switch to control the coil of the relay, then hook the PCV up to the normally open contacts on the relay. When you flip the switch on, the coil is activated by the power and the normally open contacts close. The autotune will be on. When you want the base map turn the switch off which kills the power to the relay coil and opens the contacts that the PCV is attached to. Base map is used. No power is sent to the PCV either way the switch is because the coil and the contacts of the relay are not connected in anyway.
 
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