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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Scorpion07
That's exactly my question to Baker. I would think it has to be a slip fit, otherwise the process of pressing it onto the mainshaft at the same tiime the primary is installed could potentially side load the bearing. My concern with the slip fit though, is having the bearing spin on the mainshaft under load. Once that happens the mainshaft would loose tolerance and be toast.
I tried calling earlier today but couldn't get a person. I'll try again tomorrow.
From my research, the Baker solution is a slip fit in the shaft. I only know this from reading since I chose to go with the HD bearing.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sifularson
HD made an update to the inner primary (mainshaft) bearing. I believe the early bearings (06 dynas and 07 touring) had faulty (soft) inner bearing races. I also believe that HD knows this and is waiting out the failures without saying anything. Too many have failed at low mileage IMO.
I mentioned earlier that my primary bearing and race looked perfect when inspected during the tranny-bearing repair, so we reused it at the suggestion of the tech. I had no say since it was a warranty job, and at the time had no reason to second-guess that decision. This is the bearing that when faulty sounds off when the clutch is disengaged, right? Never had that problem, but at least there is a symptom. The only noise I'm getting now is the normal auto-tensioner whine mostly audible only at idle and very slow speeds.

I thought the Dyna primary-bearing failures were a result of the lack of alignment dowels near the bearing in the early '06's, updated about mid-year.

Your auction link for the primary-bearing tool no longer works. Do you have any other info on it like a current auction? That would be a good reference in case it's needed in the future, but let's hope it isn't.

This thread shows that there was an update to the mainshaft and bearing in late 07, early 08. My 07 had the updated bearing and when I ordered the bearing from the 07 parts book, it was the wrong bearing. I did some research and came up with the updated bearing.
Keep in mind the majority of this discussion is about the duplex tranny mainshaft bearing, which is #8967 on the tranny side, not the primary bearing you're referring to. This primary bearing is also an issue for some, so it needs to be discussed. The #8967 bearing design hasn't been changed to date according to the tech who worked on my bike.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 11:40 PM
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You guys are a wealth of knowledge. Please continue the discussion. I should now in a day or two what the howling tranny problem is for sure and if HD is gonna pic up the tab.

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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sifularson
From my research, the Baker solution is a slip fit in the shaft. I only know this from reading since I chose to go with the HD bearing.
Any reason why you went with the stock bearing over the Baker?
My Inner Primary Bearing is in perfect shape, and now that we're talking I like the way that bearing is designed. However I'm thinking of going with Baker because of ease of use.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 09:49 AM
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One problem I am still having here is you have what Harley call the main transmission shaft that comes out of the transmission thru the main drive gear shaft. The clutch hub and clutch basket attach to this and drive its rotation from the engine primary chain back thru the transmission and from there thru the gears and back thru the main drive gear that comes back out of the transmission and this is what the rear drive belt pulley attaches to. Were I am confused is when you look at my attachment were is the inner bearing for this and what type of bearing is it? Also you have the pushrod coming thru the main transmission shaft that activates the clutch. Is there a seal on this shaft or is this what the oil slinger is for? I always assumed the oil slinger was to help lube the transmission.
 

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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 09:52 AM
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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 10:57 AM
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Ok - here's the scoop from Baker on the their Inner Primary Bearing kit:
It is a slip fit (about a .001 clearance) and is shielded both sides. It can be lubed by the primary oil by pulling off the inner shield (towards the clutch). Comes with a separate outer seal.
It's benefits are "will not walk on mainshaft", unlike the stock bearing that can walk on the mainshaft race, potentially causing bearing failure? Don't see the logic on the walking, but I think I'm going with it anyway, for the same price of a stock bearing, and I won't need to buy the race installer tool.
He also said he hasn't had any problems with it spining on the mainshaft.
Now I'm waiting on F.A.G's input on the Main Drive Gear Bearing.
One more thing, the stock inner Primary bearing on my 07 is an INA bearing.
The engineer I spoke to yesterday manufactures both INA and F.A.G bearings though.
Still waiting on a return call from him.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Scorpion07
Any reason why you went with the stock bearing over the Baker?
My Inner Primary Bearing is in perfect shape, and now that we're talking I like the way that bearing is designed. However I'm thinking of going with Baker because of ease of use.
Simple answer . . .

I installed a new chrome inner primary cover which came with a new bearing and seal installed. I chose to be lazy and not remove it.

BTW, this bearing is not my problem any longer . . . I traded my 07 for an 11.
 
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It is shielded both sides. It can be lubed by the primary oil by pulling off the inner shield (towards the clutch). Comes with a separate outer seal.
I assume if you had replace you primary chain with a belt this bearing would be used sealed. Did Baker man suggest since you still have an oiled primary what was best way for you to use bearing as sealed or with front seal removed?
 
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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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I assume if you had replace you primary chain with a belt this bearing would be used sealed. Did Baker man suggest since you still have an oiled primary what was best way for you to use bearing as sealed or with front seal removed?
He said it would be oiled by the primary oil regardless.

The bearing is shielded, which is different then sealed.
Shielded = metal shield, which keeps larger debris from entering bearing. It would still allow some oil in.
Sealed = rubber or rubber/steel, which is intended to keep out most debris including dust and water.
 
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