True-Track for 2009-2011
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I have posed this question to True trac, how many crashes have their products cause because of this false sense of ability.
Mountain riding and twities comes form experience and practice, getting to know the machine you own. Not bolting crap onto the fram and believing over night you are a competent ride.
That is a dangerous statement relative to rain riding. There is no correalation. None.
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To clarify I am a very experienced rider , I am in my 50's , when I was a younger man I raced professionally for Suzuki and Yamaha , I know how to ride a motorcycle , I am posting because guys from the previous thread ask me to once I tried it , that is what I've done , I personally didn't think it would work when I ordered it but it did help , I NEVER had a death wobble , it was a looseness like an under inflated tire , many factors comes into handling ,suspension and tires are a few and what I first looked at , I am not suggesting all newer bikes have this , we all run different tires , suspension and ride differently , I am merely posting my experience in case you have a similar issue and it helps you , for anyone to state that they don't have a problem so those who do are full of bs only shows your ignorance , it would be like saying my bike nevers runs hot so if yours does you are an idiot
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typical internet tuff guy , joe bad *** because we can't meet face to face, you're the man we are all honored to have you on the forum
Yadah Yadah, Well first don't know how many moutains there are in florida. I know how to read and I know how to ride, and I don't need to pimp a bolt on placebo to make my bike perform and react. Learn to ride and how to use your thottle easy as that but don't pimp this death wobble crap that does not exist.
Just wondering how fast can you go in a construction zone??? Jeshhh get a life.
Just wondering how fast can you go in a construction zone??? Jeshhh get a life.
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To clarify I am a very experienced rider , I am in my 50's , when I was a younger man I raced professionally for Suzuki and Yamaha , I know how to ride a motorcycle , I am posting because guys from the previous thread ask me to once I tried it , that is what I've done , I personally didn't think it would work when I ordered it but it did help , I NEVER had a death wobble , it was a looseness like an under inflated tire , many factors comes into handling ,suspension and tires are a few and what I first looked at , I am not suggesting all newer bikes have this , we all run different tires , suspension and ride differently , I am merely posting my experience in case you have a similar issue and it helps you , for anyone to stste that they don't have a problem so those who do are full of bs only shows your ignorance , it would be like saying my bike nevers runs hot so if yours does you are an idiot
That is great you will drink the True Trac coolaid for your 09 and after bike, but I don't buy into your rationale at all
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Say what you will but just answer the question? For your test how fast would you go in a construction zone for a quantitaive result?
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That is whole problem with this true trac crap they pimp a bolt on placebo.They now have a false sense of competence that could put a rider in a situation beyond their riding ability.
I have posed this question to True trac, how many crashes have there products cause because of this false sense of ability.
Mountain riding and twities comes form experience and pratice, getting to know the machine you own. Not bolting crap onto the fram and believing over night you are a competent ride.
That is a dangerous statement relative to rain riding. There is no correalation. None.
I have posed this question to True trac, how many crashes have there products cause because of this false sense of ability.
Mountain riding and twities comes form experience and pratice, getting to know the machine you own. Not bolting crap onto the fram and believing over night you are a competent ride.
That is a dangerous statement relative to rain riding. There is no correalation. None.
Never purchased a stabilzer on my 2000 and never really cared to spend the money on one, at least not yet.
That having been said, it certainly wouldn't surprise me if a stabilizer would decrease the slight wobble that I do feel on fast sweepers. Additionally such an add-on might indeed help the '09 and later somewhat.
It's still a rubber mount.
Pays your money and takes your chances, but too many respected motorcyclists have noted the wobble, the NTSB has investigated it, and enough publications have remarked on the stabilizers success to quell it.
Not all aftermarket is snake oil, or I wouldn't be enjoying the Xenon headlights that far surpass the halogen headlights that my bike came with, ( for an example.)
My 2 cents...
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I was a LONG TIME disbeliever of any wobble (call it whatever you'd like) with my '09. I had an '08 that I felt some sort of wobble and a bagger brace did tighten it up a bit. Now, lately I've noticed some sort of wobble/unstableness (again, call it what you'd like) on my '09, but only in long sweeping (higher speed) turns. Unlike on my '08 where I'd feel it on bumpy roads, hard take offs and long sweepers. I have an 18" rear wheel w/ a 200 tire and heard some complaints about this set-up. I also thought it could be my Ohlin shocks are not adjusted perfectly. Either way, there is definitely a loose *** rear end I'm detecting in my '09.
Before I go out and spend $300-$400 on a '09 (and above) brace, I will definitely experiment a little more with my shocks and will try a 180 next time I change out my rear tire.
*DISCLAIMER* Please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've been on 2 wheels since I've been knee high cool...and, that's over 40 yrs of riding. I've been on everything from a Sears b&s mini bike, to dirt bikes, to crotch rockets, to Harleys and I live in SoCal so I'm no stranger to the mountain twisties either.
Before I go out and spend $300-$400 on a '09 (and above) brace, I will definitely experiment a little more with my shocks and will try a 180 next time I change out my rear tire.
*DISCLAIMER* Please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've been on 2 wheels since I've been knee high cool...and, that's over 40 yrs of riding. I've been on everything from a Sears b&s mini bike, to dirt bikes, to crotch rockets, to Harleys and I live in SoCal so I'm no stranger to the mountain twisties either.
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because you are an idiot and can not read I will try one last time to explain it to you 1- NO DEATH WOBBLE 2- the bike would feel loose above 70mph 3- I never said it did it in curves , going down the highway above 70mph 4- the brace reduced it , not 100% but 90-95% 5- construction zone , no workers present so I ran through it at about 75-80 mph but it had uneven pavement 6- you are a moron
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I was a LONG TIME disbeliever of any wobble (call it whatever you'd like) with my '09. I had an '08 that I felt some sort of wobble and a bagger brace did tighten it up a bit. Now, lately I've noticed some sort of wobble/unstableness (again, call it what you'd like) on my '09, but only in long sweeping (higher speed) turns. Unlike on my '08 where I'd feel it on bumpy roads, hard take offs and long sweepers. I have an 18" rear wheel w/ a 200 tire and heard some complaints about this set-up. I also thought it could be my Ohlin shocks are not adjusted perfectly. Either way, there is definitely a loose *** rear end I'm detecting in my '09.
Before I go out and spend $300-$400 on a '09 (and above) brace, I will definitely experiment a little more with my shocks and will try a 180 next time I change out my rear tire.
*DISCLAIMER* Please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've been on 2 wheels since I've been knee high cool...and, that's over 40 yrs of riding. I've been on everything from a Sears b&s mini bike, to dirt bikes, to crotch rockets, to Harleys and I live in SoCal so I'm no stranger to the mountain twisties either.
Before I go out and spend $300-$400 on a '09 (and above) brace, I will definitely experiment a little more with my shocks and will try a 180 next time I change out my rear tire.
*DISCLAIMER* Please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've been on 2 wheels since I've been knee high cool...and, that's over 40 yrs of riding. I've been on everything from a Sears b&s mini bike, to dirt bikes, to crotch rockets, to Harleys and I live in SoCal so I'm no stranger to the mountain twisties either.
I had a 1997 King and she wobbled like a bowl of jelly. I made my own brace because I couldnt afford a tru track and it was a big help, but ultimately the frame and swingarm on the 1997 werent very stiff or strong so there were limits to how much difference it would make. I know braces work on the old frame, I am skeptical on the new one.
Because I had the 1997 I know exactly what a bagger wobble feels like, so I know I have felt it on the 09.
The new frame still relies on the stiffness of the swingarm and front rubber mounts. It makes sense that there is a little flex there and a brace could take that out.
Bottom line is I am going back to a 180 next time, and I am considering the brace.
I have been riding since I was 3, and I won my first race when I was a sperm. Whatever.