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Old Jul 17, 2011 | 06:12 PM
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2009 Ultra Classic with 16,000 on the odometer; Stage 1 A/C with HD download, Jackpot Dyno-tuned slipons from FuelMoto. Mobil1 V-twin 20w50 in crankcase, HD Formula+ in primary and transmission. Fluids changed every 2,500 miles or so. Friday, on a hot ride to Wauseon, OH for the swap meet, I noticed some new noises in the primary. Mostly going thru the gears, a lot more noise when pulling the clutch lever and clunkier shifting. Neutral was hard to find, but neutral has always been hard to find on this bike. Doesn't sound like a clutch issue because there's been no change in clutch engagement and the noises seem to come from the front of the primary case, not the clutch area. Figured I needed to change primary fluid, but was only 1,400 miles since the last fluid change. Saturday, same story, different ride. Sunday, changed primary fluid and noticed a slight improvement, but still not "normal" primary noise. I haven't noticed the tell-tale "bang" on start-up, but I'm wondering if I'm having some compensator issues and could use some info from others who have fixed problems like I've described. Anybody had these symptoms before?

Edit: Also getting some knocking from front of primary at 2500-3000 rpm when shifting. Loose chain? Compensator nut? Tensioner?
 

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Nearing the 15K point and bike is in shop for a SE Compensator upgrade. Noticed lately the notorious "bang" on startup is getting louder and harder. Can feel it way up at the clutch lever when pulled in during starting. Neutral was easy to find and now is getting harder. Readjusted the clutch to see if that was the problem - not. There are a few bangs when in lower gears i.e. 1st & 2nd. Don't want to wait for it to destruct. Will let you know later this week if it is fixed with new compensator.
 
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Nearing the 15K point and bike is in shop for a SE Compensator upgrade. Noticed lately the notorious "bang" on startup is getting louder and harder. Can feel it way up at the clutch lever when pulled in during starting. Neutral was easy to find and now is getting harder. Readjusted the clutch to see if that was the problem - not. There are a few bangs when in lower gears i.e. 1st & 2nd. Don't want to wait for it to destruct. Will let you know later this week if it is fixed with new compensator.
Thanks kdfcogwheel. I'll be interested to hear if the SE compensator solves your problems. I'm not sure our bikes have the same symptoms, but I'd like to get to the bottom of this once and for all. I get some clunking, chain slapping, knocking .... whatever you want to call it .... shifting up thru the gears around 2500-2000 rpm. When I pull the clutch lever in to shift, I get a whirring sound, nuts and bolts in a coffee can kind of sound, a loud clunk when I shift and a 2nd clunk when letting out the clutch lever. I'm no mechanic, but I know a new noise when I hear it, and these new noises sound like they could add up to some expensive repairs. I'm anxious to hear what you find out about your compensator.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 07:08 PM
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Guess I'd better brush up on my communication skills. Posted my questions on this forum and only got one response (BTW, THANKS kdfcogwheel). Called my Indy to see whether he'd be willing to take a look at my bike - he had a customer in the shop so he jotted down my number, but never got a call back. Am I typing/talking in a foreign language or something? Suzuki maybe?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 07:44 PM
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Man when I did mine I just didn't like the way it would grind/bang at startup vibrated all the tome going down road, altho I did not experience hard neutrals, Installiing the SE comp got rid of the startup issue but I have a chatter between 60 and 70mph (more so in sixth) but it's not constant, comes and goes... So the trade off was worth it. BTW my se nut was not loose when I swapped them out.I replace the compensator as preventing maint. cuz I heard it can take out starter clutches and could damage crank if got loose...
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 07:51 PM
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My primary was noisy until I put it in gear, then it would kinda quiet down. Pulled it apart and found a bad inner primary bearing and race. Also upgraded to SE compensator at the same time. The bike has a lot less driveline slop and she's quieter then when it was new.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 07:53 PM
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I just changed my stock compensator to the SE compensator on my bike, 25000 miles on my 2010 ultra limited and the only difference i see is at start up, it was worth it, did it myself in about 3 hours from following a thread I found on here.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rattrig
I just changed my stock compensator to the SE compensator on my bike, 25000 miles on my 2010 ultra limited and the only difference i see is at start up, it was worth it, did it myself in about 3 hours from following a thread I found on here.
.....and there you go. That's how you do it!!
 
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Originally Posted by rattrig
I just changed my stock compensator to the SE compensator on my bike, 25000 miles on my 2010 ultra limited and the only difference i see is at start up, it was worth it, did it myself in about 3 hours from following a thread I found on here.

Can you tell me if you experience the chatter with the SE comp?
 
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Old Jul 22, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadHog659
Thanks kdfcogwheel. I'll be interested to hear if the SE compensator solves your problems. I'm not sure our bikes have the same symptoms, but I'd like to get to the bottom of this once and for all. I get some clunking, chain slapping, knocking .... whatever you want to call it .... shifting up thru the gears around 2500-2000 rpm. When I pull the clutch lever in to shift, I get a whirring sound, nuts and bolts in a coffee can kind of sound, a loud clunk when I shift and a 2nd clunk when letting out the clutch lever. I'm no mechanic, but I know a new noise when I hear it, and these new noises sound like they could add up to some expensive repairs. I'm anxious to hear what you find out about your compensator.
Well, I never had any grinding noises. The only whirring sound that I have is when I downshift to 1st at 20mph or so, the tranny whirrs away. It doesn't bother me, it is kind of reminder that I have made down to 1st as I near a stop. But, no nuts & bolts in a coffee can sound. The only annoying sound was at low speed low rpm between 1st & 2nd, it would clunk and you could feel an apparent slop in the connection between the crank (compensator) sprocket and the tranny (clutch pack) input. It just felt soft, like there is some power loss or a looseness in the driveline. The most annoying thing was at startup. The instant you hit the starter a loud "bang" and a clunk as the starter engaged. You feel it all the way up to the clutch lever as I pull in the clutch to start just in case it is in gear. After the compensator change, I am so pleased with the sound or lack there of when starting. The "feel" when accelerating, easing off and pouring on some throttle and just in general is like a solid tight system. There is a positive connection throughout the driveline. Very smooth. Now, my hearing is not perfect, especially at 55, so when I am cruising at say 65 with the stereo going and my quiet pipes, I don't hear any other noises outside of the standard valvetrain clatter. It is otherwise quiet. I don't feel nor do I hear any chattering. I am ecstatic. And to top it off, the dealer cut me a big break on the labor and parts. Between my nearby dealer and this higher volume dealer I save $180.88 overall. The total cost was $507.
 
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