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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:18 PM
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Recently was told my oil pump failed on my 2003 Road King Classic which caused major damage to the engine with 45K miles to the tune in excess of 5K to fix. I have seen 3 others with same problem and price tag. Is this a design problem and is it common?
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:22 PM
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I dont think 3 out of thousands is something to worry about.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:23 PM
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yes it is a design problem. the filter is on the pressure side of the oil pump and not on the intake side. not even a screen to stop metal chips from getting into the oil pump. going to pull my cam plate this winter as part of a cam upgrade and would be interested in knowing if there was a way to put a screen filter on the intake side. just bought some super duty magnetic drain plugs from cycle soultions which is about all you can do with out cracking the case.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:33 PM
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The problem I am concerned about is the 3 bikes I saw were all on lifts next to mine in a small shop in Northern Colorado. There must be more out there...............Struens
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:37 PM
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5000 to fix? Id be thinkin complete new motor for that price range.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:44 PM
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You read this ever now and then. What amazes me is not one ever has a picture to show of one that is torn up. I can believe something getting in the oil tank or system and starving the pump but even then it would have to be totally blocked to destroy it. Half starved the cylinders and lifters would let you know you had a problem. I would get a second opinion of the price. Toyota dealer told my son his 89 Toyota 22 R needed a new engine for a $5500 installed price tag. We put new piston pin bushing in it (the problem), some gaskets, thru in rings and bearing shells for about $300. Not sure if the pump pressure side has a screen but I know the return side does not. However the gears are hard like bearings and run in a precision aluminum housing. All automobiles have similar systems with little more then a screen. The item 108 baffle asby probably has a coarse screen in it in your oil bag mounted under transmission.
 

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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:45 PM
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The problem, more than likely, has nothing to do with which side of the oil flow the filter is on. The problem has to do with excessive run-out of the crank pinion shaft. When that engine is apart, if you elect to go that route, you will need the flywheels properly trued and welded to prevent re-occurrence.

Another option is to have the dealer send the engine to H-D for their rebuild program. Although I do not know if they weld the crank journal in the flywheels. Probably not.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KennyMay
5000 to fix? Id be thinkin complete new motor for that price range.

+1 There's a brand new 88 ci motor sitting at a dealer 35 miles away from me with a $3800 price tag on it.

Or look here http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/g...bmLocale=en_US

Whoever told you 5K really saw you coming.
 
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That's Harley for you I think.......................
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 04:29 PM
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What amazes me is not one ever has a picture to show of one that is torn up.
I'll put some up for you

I can believe something getting in the oil tank or system and starving the pump but even then it would have to be totally blocked to destroy it.
the problem is the star shaped pump pinion gears as metal gets sucked into the pump thru the unfiltered inlet, these metal fragments which are also hard metals cut into the pump pinion gear. also, out of round cranks will cause the pinion gear to cut into the cam plate

Not sure if the pump pressure side has a screen but I know the return side does not.
The oil filter is on the pressure side . nothing is on the intake side.


However the gears are hard like bearings and run in a precision aluminum housing. All automobiles have similar systems with little more then a screen. The item 108 baffle asby probably has a coarse screen in it in your oil bag mounted under transmission.
anyone with an oil pump failure should have their crank shaft checked for out of round conditions. if the crank is out of round, pump will just fail again.
 
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