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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 09:55 AM
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Never felt like my 96"/255 combo "died" after 4,000 R's, still pulled harder than the stock cams, just not as hard as some others. I now have 103"/Andrews 54H/Big Boyz heads combo and it does pull much harder above 4,000 but, I seldom hit it that hard (but when I do, it is fun! ). I usually ride in the 2800-3000 RPM range because I like being in that power band and I know I ain't luggin chit, the 255's work great there! Wish I still had the 96"/255's and the extra $$ back in my pocket. My .
 
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 09:57 AM
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I just wanted to add after reading my post it could be interpreted that I have a 103 but I have the 96.Thanks again
 
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 10:15 AM
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Just don't see it.Bought an 09 ultra I came off a 72 shovel,My 09 I did 103 stage II 255;s had some mild headwork done, notice when hot starter hit pretty hard. decided to trade for 11 limited upon suggestion started to research 254's came across this forum and started readin the 255 bashin and this dyin at 4000 rpm etc.etc. I dint have a tuner just a canned map from harley didn't know any better, before I traded itook it out and ran the p$$ss out of it I just don't see it, when the tq is fallin off the hp. is comin on maybe my *** just ain't as sensitive as others when it comes to seat of the pants or maybe these guys are goin by what they see on paper. But IMHO its a good lowend cam for everyday normal bagger geezer glidin practical ridin. don't get me wrong I like to get with it just like the next guy but I guess its not on the dragstrip.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Coolhawg6622
No... and its no problem for a 103 either.............. And if your going to do cams put a real cam in........255's are dead at 4000....... much better choices out there as long as your going to do the work......
That's odd, as there must be something wrong with my bike, as it certainly isn't "dead" at 4000rpm. Have you ridden a bike of this configuration with a good tune? Mine pulls all the way out to the 6200-rpm redline and has no flat-spots or indication of "running out of steam" or "hitting a wall." All dyno charts that I've seen show HP increasing up to 5200-5500rpm. OTOH if "dead" means they don't make as much peak-HP as most other performance cams, you are right--but I don't think a real-world ride on a well-tuned 96/255 will give you the impression that they ever "die" until they hit the rev limiter. Anyway, peak-HP is not this cam's forte, as they are designed to provide a meaningful torque increase in the low-end and midrange, and they do that in spades.

It needs to be also stressed that the OP has a stock 96" engine, and if he puts almost any other cam in that bike without a compression increase he will lose low-end performance. Exceptions would likely be the Andrews 48H and the S&S 551 "Easy Start" cams. If he doesn't mind a loss of low-end TQ and wants the emphasis to be at high RPM's, the SE255 cams are not the right choice for him.
 

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Coolhawg6622
No... and its no problem for a 103 either.............. And if your going to do cams put a real cam in........255's are dead at 4000....... much better choices out there as long as your going to do the work......
Are you for real....? 4000rpm....255s will pull to 5800 i have the dyno sheet. I run it up to the redline at 6000 all the time if i have to win a race. Put them 255s in. Mine pulls from about 1500 all the way to redline...Look at my tag. A good tune help also. I have no ping at all in any gear now. Ohhh yes there are better cams out there for sure, but my bike is still under warranty thats why i went with SE 255s.
 

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Coolhawg6622
No body "runs" along at 4000k but I run mine past it every time I am out!! I want power when needed!!! 255's DO NOT SUPPLY ANY POWER PAST 4000k ish rpm......if you drive like a grandpa and never want to hear the wonderful note of yer pipes then its a perfect choice.....but for me there worthless........... .02
Okay, so you like to rev your bike past 4000 rpms, and that's fine. Most of us probably don't, and I can say that with the 96-255 combo many of us will not feel the need to do so. To use extreme statements like "do not supply any power past 4000 rpm" is simply not true. See the chart below of a well-tuned 96-255 setup, shown to reflect the shape of the curve. Note that HP is still increasing at 4000rpm and TQ holds >90 from 2600-4500. Where is this "dead" spot you referred to earlier, and how can you make the statement above based on this chart?

FWIW, the shape of this TQ curve is what I want, and that's flat. It has no major peaks or valleys and just provides good power all the way out without a pronounced "band" or peakiness.



BTW the top horizontal line on the X-axis is 100.
 

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:23 PM
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who runs their engine in real life over 4000 rpms anyway???? I get all my shifting done way before 2500 and have to go out of my way to even hit 3000 rpms.
Real life - i use my entire RPM range. I run to red line at least once a ride. That's what the engine is made for - running.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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My setup is a beast.

255's with a PC-V and auttuner with good intake and pipes (ported Throttlebody).

I never feel it fall off. It will max the speedo in 6th gear no prob.

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Phatboy2010
Ohhh yes there are better cams out there for sure, but my bike is still under warranty thats why i went with SE 255s.
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but there are "better cams" for what? Peak-HP? You're right. Are there better cams for increasing low-end and midrange TQ without other engine mods beyond normal Stage I upgrades? If there are I'm not aware of them.
 

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Coolhawg6622
No body "runs" along at 4000k but I run mine past it every time I am out!! I want power when needed!!! 255's DO NOT SUPPLY ANY POWER PAST 4000k ish rpm......if you drive like a grandpa and never want to hear the wonderful note of yer pipes then its a perfect choice.....but for me there worthless........... .02


If ya get to Ohio look me up...Ill take ya to 255 school...Really i will...
 
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