possible 07 recall
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RE: possible 07 recall
Yikes! Now I'm really anxious for warmer weather to see if my quick indications of good improvements from the flash today, are there on mine too. Thanks Gunrunner.
So... the other thing I'm wondering about is, did Mother Harley have to get EPA's approval for this? or thumb their noses at EPA, or what re the fed-kids?
So... the other thing I'm wondering about is, did Mother Harley have to get EPA's approval for this? or thumb their noses at EPA, or what re the fed-kids?
ORIGINAL: gunrunner
As I was heading to the dealer today, I almost turned around. I thought my bike runs great, I should pass on this since I have retuned it already why mess with a good thing? But I thought what if it does help? So here it is, for those with PCIII's don't wait head to your nearest dealer for the reflash of the ecm, had mine done this morning, they do it thru a access port and no need to unplug the pcIII, My dealer had no problem with me having upgraded, I simpy told them how it was; I put near 20 k in your pocket for this bike and wanted it to run right, I know its not your fault about the epa, so I fixed it with a pcIII and muffs and a air cleaner. Do we have a problem? No Sir was the answer let us get it in there and do the reflash! They said you may have to readjust your pcIII, I said thats fine. Well the tech did it, then took it for a spin, I could tell by the sound of the motor as he passed me it was running much smoother, as the young guy wheeled back into the parking lot after a 5min. ride he had a huge grin on. I asked did it run good? He smiled and said, Oh Yea! I left, heres my view: Runs much smoother, it always felt a little rough starting off till you got to about 2000 rpm, now it pulled off like butter, pulled hard thru the gears, had more roll on power in all gears. At idle the motor doesn't shake near as much as it did. I could find nothing adverse about it, it worked with my fuelmoto tuned pc III perfectly, I only rode about 30 miles but in traffic, around town and on the interstate up to 100 and it was awesome. Im very pleased with this upgrade and recomend everyone who is due this reflash do it regardless if your bike is stock or retuned with a pcIII or other device, it appears to be more of revamp to the timing settings than air/fuel changes. It made my bike much more of a joy to ride, will update again once ive done some more miles and checked plugs for color.
As I was heading to the dealer today, I almost turned around. I thought my bike runs great, I should pass on this since I have retuned it already why mess with a good thing? But I thought what if it does help? So here it is, for those with PCIII's don't wait head to your nearest dealer for the reflash of the ecm, had mine done this morning, they do it thru a access port and no need to unplug the pcIII, My dealer had no problem with me having upgraded, I simpy told them how it was; I put near 20 k in your pocket for this bike and wanted it to run right, I know its not your fault about the epa, so I fixed it with a pcIII and muffs and a air cleaner. Do we have a problem? No Sir was the answer let us get it in there and do the reflash! They said you may have to readjust your pcIII, I said thats fine. Well the tech did it, then took it for a spin, I could tell by the sound of the motor as he passed me it was running much smoother, as the young guy wheeled back into the parking lot after a 5min. ride he had a huge grin on. I asked did it run good? He smiled and said, Oh Yea! I left, heres my view: Runs much smoother, it always felt a little rough starting off till you got to about 2000 rpm, now it pulled off like butter, pulled hard thru the gears, had more roll on power in all gears. At idle the motor doesn't shake near as much as it did. I could find nothing adverse about it, it worked with my fuelmoto tuned pc III perfectly, I only rode about 30 miles but in traffic, around town and on the interstate up to 100 and it was awesome. Im very pleased with this upgrade and recomend everyone who is due this reflash do it regardless if your bike is stock or retuned with a pcIII or other device, it appears to be more of revamp to the timing settings than air/fuel changes. It made my bike much more of a joy to ride, will update again once ive done some more miles and checked plugs for color.
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RE: possible 07 recall
Sounds like he was talking about the heat management download and he's
not aware of the recall notice.
not aware of the recall notice.
ORIGINAL: g money
My dealer told me today the download ain't worth squat. It just stops the rear cylinder from firing every 8 strokes or so when hot. Sounds like he was talking about the "parade download". Who knows?!
Gary D.
My dealer told me today the download ain't worth squat. It just stops the rear cylinder from firing every 8 strokes or so when hot. Sounds like he was talking about the "parade download". Who knows?!
Gary D.
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RE: possible 07 recall
Most dealers won't even get the recall notice till sometime this week is what my dealer told me, he learned of it from one of us and said harley didnt alert them via computer but by mail, but he found all the info online and began helping customers.
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RE: possible 07 recall
I'll wait for a notice from HD. Although I'll probably get it done, I really can't complain. Picked up my '07 ultra in July and have no surging, pinging or clatter in 4M + miles. New starter at 2M. She is a hot bugger, but this is my first HD and I've got nothing but water cooled metrics for comparison. I'll have to wait till spring anyway.
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RE: possible 07 recall
I really think that some of you guys are hilarious.....
Who of you were around for the 99/00 ECM upgrade, going to the "B" flash????
What about the 04-05 XL ICM Updates (There have been 3, yes 3 of them)?????
You guys are acting like you are the only ones that have ever had this happen.......
HD goes through this all the time...
There are ALWAYS going to be product refinements, updates to firmware/software, updates to applications......
This is nothing new, and you should take it in stride......
Whenever your bike goes in to an HD shop, they are obligated to verify and validate any and all RECALLS, MODIFICATIONS or CAMPAIGNS that are open or awaiting approval on your particular bike....., whether it be an ECM/ICM Update, Stereo update, fender lamp harness, BAS relocation or any number of things that have been ID'd....
Now, you wanna know something really funny.... all of the PC III's that were installed will need to come off, so the ECM can be updated with the proper flash, or it can't be installed... Inherent flaw with the PC III.... Prevents System Information from being processed, but engine data gets through.... Hmmmmmm?????
THEN, you are going to have to retune your PC's as the Baseline ECM programming has been changed, and your settings are going to be off kilter for the PC to modify.....
Take my advice, get your bike to the nearest shop that you trust, get your ECM's updated and stop the madness.....
Who of you were around for the 99/00 ECM upgrade, going to the "B" flash????
What about the 04-05 XL ICM Updates (There have been 3, yes 3 of them)?????
You guys are acting like you are the only ones that have ever had this happen.......
HD goes through this all the time...
There are ALWAYS going to be product refinements, updates to firmware/software, updates to applications......
This is nothing new, and you should take it in stride......
Whenever your bike goes in to an HD shop, they are obligated to verify and validate any and all RECALLS, MODIFICATIONS or CAMPAIGNS that are open or awaiting approval on your particular bike....., whether it be an ECM/ICM Update, Stereo update, fender lamp harness, BAS relocation or any number of things that have been ID'd....
Now, you wanna know something really funny.... all of the PC III's that were installed will need to come off, so the ECM can be updated with the proper flash, or it can't be installed... Inherent flaw with the PC III.... Prevents System Information from being processed, but engine data gets through.... Hmmmmmm?????
THEN, you are going to have to retune your PC's as the Baseline ECM programming has been changed, and your settings are going to be off kilter for the PC to modify.....
Take my advice, get your bike to the nearest shop that you trust, get your ECM's updated and stop the madness.....
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From: Upstate New York
RE: possible 07 recall
well,, i guess my sitting back and watchin things develop, kinda payed off,,,
as I bought my bike in Aug,, and was 1 of the frst to start complaining,,,
Ive got 4,000 miles, still stock,,
Its in storage now, so Im hoping by March,, I'll know exactlly what to do,buy,etc?
shov.Bob,,, thanks,, for all your responses
keep em coming
as I bought my bike in Aug,, and was 1 of the frst to start complaining,,,
Ive got 4,000 miles, still stock,,
Its in storage now, so Im hoping by March,, I'll know exactlly what to do,buy,etc?
shov.Bob,,, thanks,, for all your responses
keep em coming
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RE: possible 07 recall
hmmm...really funny is funny...cause obviously you are biased against PC3. The dealer did M1186 (0903 product improvement) in front of me cause I was curious. It did not get in the way. In fact the ECM has an access port to hook the laptop up to... the PC3 does not have to be removed to flash them. All is good. and even if it did have to be removed... on a touring bike its like soooo simple.
They also told me this was a timing mod not a fuel mod and I would notice it wouldn't surge if I lugged it or putting around in idle @1st, otherwise probably wouldn't tell the difference. So far seems he was right but he admitted he couldn't actually call up the values. So off he went to do all the bikes on the showroom
BTW for some of us this is the first time dealing with this sorta stuff.
They also told me this was a timing mod not a fuel mod and I would notice it wouldn't surge if I lugged it or putting around in idle @1st, otherwise probably wouldn't tell the difference. So far seems he was right but he admitted he couldn't actually call up the values. So off he went to do all the bikes on the showroom
BTW for some of us this is the first time dealing with this sorta stuff.