Just ordered the TCB braking System
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2008
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From: Cheltenham, UK
Hey SG, good explanation however, temperature and wear and road condition also effects braking you can practice panic braking all day long and a week later the point of lock-up could be very different. No matter how much you practice, in a life or death PANIC brake maneuver it has been shown that most riders will grab a handful of brakes and if the conditions are right, (wet or oily roads) then a lock-up most likely will occur which usually has a bad ending. At least, with the TCB system you may have a chance not to lock-up. Check out the interdependent test and reviews.http://www.hdopenroad.com/reviews/tc...em-cost-value/
I read the test you posted above. I promise I entered in to it with a completely open mind. I have to say I was somewhat surprised that the main thrust of the article was that it significantly reduced braking distance. I am sorry, but this absolutely defies reason.
I am happy to accept that, in the correct conditions, it will delay, and hence possibly even eliminate, the onset of skidding but reduced stopping distances with a system that has built in some compliance is simply defying basic physics.
The bottom line is, the quickest / shortest distance you can stop any vehicle in is to maintain brake force just a fraction before lock up. Unlike ABS, this system is an open loop system so it has no idea where or when lock up will occur so how can it help the rider find this optimum position?
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2008
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From: Cheltenham, UK
I never realised that applying engineering knowledge and expertise was not allowed when asked an opinion on something. I wonder what todays world would look like if that philosophy was universally adopted.
4th Gear
Joined: Feb 2008
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tcb braking
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...ng-system.html
I had a lot of doubts as well, but they told me that the best way to see that they work is to try them. With a money back guarantee, I tried them and I really like them.
Check out the test results at
http://www.tcbbrakesystems.com/avoid...ccidents2.html
I had a lot of doubts as well, but they told me that the best way to see that they work is to try them. With a money back guarantee, I tried them and I really like them.
Check out the test results at
http://www.tcbbrakesystems.com/avoid...ccidents2.html
4th Gear
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Respectfully, I am not an engineer, but others who have tried them, experienced test riders, and I like them a lot. The “2 actual users who say that they work great” but the one anaylist who says he wouldn't use them”, the analyst should probably try them.
I don’t like ABS because
I don’t like ABS because
Road Master
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Indiana
I have it on the rear only. Here's my reason:
In a panic stop, if the brake(s) lock up, tendency is to release the brake(s) and re-apply. From ABATE training, one should not release the rear if it locks up, but only to release the front and re-apply, because if the rear regain traction all of a sudden, the bike might high-side on you. Now we know when the s**t hits the fan, most trainings are out the window. Figure this is a good way to not lock up the rear as easy.
Was trying out just the rear and add the front at some point. After 2 years of riding with TCB in rear only, I choose not to add this to the front. Main reason is now the rear brake takes quite a bit more "pressure" for it to activate, and that kinda concern me....
That being said, TCB recommends if only doing one, it should be in the front. But as I mentioned, normal reflex is to release the brake and re-apply anyway if lock up, it make more sense to me to install in the rear and not the front.
Maybe that's the reason why I haven't notice shorter stopping distance. Overall, I'm not unhappy with the TCB, more for a peace of mind than anything.
Sorry for the long post, just want to voice my opinion for you to make an educated decision.
Ride safe
In a panic stop, if the brake(s) lock up, tendency is to release the brake(s) and re-apply. From ABATE training, one should not release the rear if it locks up, but only to release the front and re-apply, because if the rear regain traction all of a sudden, the bike might high-side on you. Now we know when the s**t hits the fan, most trainings are out the window. Figure this is a good way to not lock up the rear as easy.
Was trying out just the rear and add the front at some point. After 2 years of riding with TCB in rear only, I choose not to add this to the front. Main reason is now the rear brake takes quite a bit more "pressure" for it to activate, and that kinda concern me....
That being said, TCB recommends if only doing one, it should be in the front. But as I mentioned, normal reflex is to release the brake and re-apply anyway if lock up, it make more sense to me to install in the rear and not the front.
Maybe that's the reason why I haven't notice shorter stopping distance. Overall, I'm not unhappy with the TCB, more for a peace of mind than anything.
Sorry for the long post, just want to voice my opinion for you to make an educated decision.
Ride safe
Last edited by 3/4 life crisis; Feb 27, 2012 at 10:13 PM.
Stage I
Joined: Apr 2012
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From: CT
Has anyone installed the TCB on Brembo calipers? I have an '08 RK and the banjo bolts the TCB replaces have the bleeder screws integrated. Replacing them would remove the ability to bleed the brakes. Anyone have a solution?
Stellar HDF Member
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From: Scotland
Looks like the system is meant to provide a more constant pressure by compensating for rotor and pad imperfections and thus modulating the brakes better, if it really works it should provide better feedback to the operator while making the brakes more progressive and less likely to lock so decreasing braking distances. It kind of makes sense to me. From a strict engineering point of view it relies on a perceived issue rather than a verifiable constant and as such is problematic in defining its effectiveness but any good engineer also is open to the fact that real world situations don't always follow the rules the way they are supposed to. I think it would be suck it and see, saying that it would be better to make sure your brakes are the best they can be before looking to a solution like this as it has the potential to mask brake issues.
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I have them installed on all three Rotors and they are not spongy. They seem to stop me much faster without lock-up. The real test is on wet roads and frankly, I rather not be in that situation.
If I experience any issues, good or bad, I will post.
If I experience any issues, good or bad, I will post.
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From: Lapeer , Mich
just woundering how the test is doing