Stage one only
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Road Captain
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From: Airdrie, AB
Stage one only
I have an 07 Ultra still stock with no mods sitting in the garage for the winter. I have been doing a LOT of reading on the subject of the heat issue. Most of my riding will be done up here in Montana this summer (cooler) but I do plan on making a trip down to west texas, big bend country (damn hot) and have decided that I want to address the heat issue with my bike before I go. I really don't care about anything which will allow me to "tweak" or "tune" the bike myself as I really don't feel comfortable doing that. I like the stock pipes just fine for now but what I was considering was either a SE or K&N stage one kit to allow the engine to breathe better. My understanding is that this by itself will go a long way toward addressing the heat issue. My question is, since I have no intention of doing any other performance mods right now or for the forseeable future, should I just have the dealer do a remap, get a sert, TFI or what? Thanks for your input.
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RE: Stage one only
Well, you just opened the exhaust/intake/tuner Pandora's box. Lots of posts will be headed your way! 
From all that I have read, the intake will require tuning the ECM to avoid getting even leaner than stock and aggravating the heat issue even more. I have the Vance & Hines FuelPak, and it is not going to work for your application because it cannot be custom-tuned for the stock exhaust. The PCIII from fuelmoto.com will be a suggestion offered by many, and it can be tuned for your specific setup; that would probably be my choice and will run a little less than $300 with shipping. But if all I was going to do is replace the air intake, I might be tempted to go with the HD Stage 1 ECM download which from what I understand is considerably less expensive (around $100 I've heard).
On the other hand.... when I bought my '07 FLHRC, I told my wife that it was just perfect right out of the box. Now that I have spent around $4k on various stuff, I realize (as someone said earlier) that the stock bike is just the canvas on which to create "my" bike. Fair warning....
From all that I have read, the intake will require tuning the ECM to avoid getting even leaner than stock and aggravating the heat issue even more. I have the Vance & Hines FuelPak, and it is not going to work for your application because it cannot be custom-tuned for the stock exhaust. The PCIII from fuelmoto.com will be a suggestion offered by many, and it can be tuned for your specific setup; that would probably be my choice and will run a little less than $300 with shipping. But if all I was going to do is replace the air intake, I might be tempted to go with the HD Stage 1 ECM download which from what I understand is considerably less expensive (around $100 I've heard).
On the other hand.... when I bought my '07 FLHRC, I told my wife that it was just perfect right out of the box. Now that I have spent around $4k on various stuff, I realize (as someone said earlier) that the stock bike is just the canvas on which to create "my" bike. Fair warning....
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From: Michigan
RE: Stage one only
If you're trying to get the bike to run cooler, the H-D Stage1download will not help (from what I've read). The bike will still meet EPA requirements and still run lean. Your twomost recommendedchoices are the H-DSERT (screaming eagle race tuner-- about $400) or the Power Commander III about $300).
Based on all the recommendations I've seen (and assuming if you'll have someonedo it for you), whatever your dealer is most familier with is the way to go.
Based on all the recommendations I've seen (and assuming if you'll have someonedo it for you), whatever your dealer is most familier with is the way to go.
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RE: Stage one only
If the only thing you are concerned with is the heat, forget the A/C just get a SERT or a PCIII and have it tuned at the dyno....A/C is just a way to make the bike breath better, the sert/PCIII is where to adjust the mixture, thus a richer condition=cooler running bike JMHO
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RE: Stage one only
ORIGINAL: grooveman
I have an 07 Ultra still stock with no mods sitting in the garage for the winter. I have been doing a LOT of reading on the subject of the heat issue. Most of my riding will be done up here in Montana this summer (cooler) but I do plan on making a trip down to west texas, big bend country (damn hot) and have decided that I want to address the heat issue with my bike before I go. I really don't care about anything which will allow me to "tweak" or "tune" the bike myself as I really don't feel comfortable doing that. I like the stock pipes just fine for now but what I was considering was either a SE or K&N stage one kit to allow the engine to breathe better. My understanding is that this by itself will go a long way toward addressing the heat issue. My question is, since I have no intention of doing any other performance mods right now or for the forseeable future, should I just have the dealer do a remap, get a sert, TFI or what? Thanks for your input.
I have an 07 Ultra still stock with no mods sitting in the garage for the winter. I have been doing a LOT of reading on the subject of the heat issue. Most of my riding will be done up here in Montana this summer (cooler) but I do plan on making a trip down to west texas, big bend country (damn hot) and have decided that I want to address the heat issue with my bike before I go. I really don't care about anything which will allow me to "tweak" or "tune" the bike myself as I really don't feel comfortable doing that. I like the stock pipes just fine for now but what I was considering was either a SE or K&N stage one kit to allow the engine to breathe better. My understanding is that this by itself will go a long way toward addressing the heat issue. My question is, since I have no intention of doing any other performance mods right now or for the forseeable future, should I just have the dealer do a remap, get a sert, TFI or what? Thanks for your input.
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From: Airdrie, AB
RE: Stage one only
Ok, so the gist of it is that I should get some type of fuel management system first? I think I will go ahead and get a SERT, I see some on ebay for much less that the HD retail price. I may just buy one and then when the frozen tundra becomes green again, take it to the dealer and get the SE air kit at the same time. Then if I decide on adding anything else later I already have one of the necessary components to get it tuned properly. Sound about right?
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Be careful what you buy, FYI, a "SERT" is not a object like a PCIII or others it is a just a piece of hookup hardware called a "key"that allows the dealer to program in new download programs to your FACTORY ECM. I would suggest watching for sales, many hd dealers have there SE parts on sale including sert for 20% off. Also updates are being made daily, so buying from your dealer means you can get the latest available downloads or it can be tuned to your bike by a dealer that has a dyno tuning tech.
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RE: Stage one only
ORIGINAL: gunrunner
Be careful what you buy, FYI, a "SERT" is not a object like a PCIII or others it is a just a piece of hookup hardware called a "key"that allows the dealer to program in new download programs to your FACTORY ECM. I would suggest watching for sales, many hd dealers have there SE parts on sale including sert for 20% off. Also updates are being made daily, so buying from your dealer means you can get the latest available downloads or it can be tuned to your bike by a dealer that has a dyno tuning tech.
Be careful what you buy, FYI, a "SERT" is not a object like a PCIII or others it is a just a piece of hookup hardware called a "key"that allows the dealer to program in new download programs to your FACTORY ECM. I would suggest watching for sales, many hd dealers have there SE parts on sale including sert for 20% off. Also updates are being made daily, so buying from your dealer means you can get the latest available downloads or it can be tuned to your bike by a dealer that has a dyno tuning tech.
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RE: Stage one only
I'd go w/ TFI/DFO for what you want to do. No muss, no fuss, no maps, no dyno runs. Plug N Play, will handle adding aftermarket A/C & exhaust should you want to. http://www.techlusion.com/ .. Just my $.02
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From: Riverview, FL
RE: Stage one only
PCIII solved my heat issue. The HD stage I download is a waste of $150. Still runs hot with the download. PCIII added power5-7 HP and runs much cooler. I am finally happy with mine. I live in Florida and could not sit on mine at a light. Fixed my problem.