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Old May 28, 2012 | 05:19 AM
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Seem to be loads of articles saying it is bad (eg http://www.smartdriving.co.uk/Drivin...at_battery.htm) but not found anything that explains in detail why
 
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Old May 28, 2012 | 11:02 AM
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Never got to investigate to get a full understanding or even whether it is true, but I have often heard that you should not jump start a vehicle that has a cat installed. May be nonsense, really should do the research some time
Cats don't like raw gas...will clog them up and make them run even hotter than they already do. If you run your AFR too rich it will do the same thing.
 
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Old May 29, 2012 | 10:20 AM
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The way I figure it, for a third gear rolling start, you will probably have to get up to about 20-25 mph for it to start to get the RPM you will need.
 
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Old May 29, 2012 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PassRusher75
The way I figure it, for a third gear rolling start, you will probably have to get up to about 20-25 mph for it to start to get the RPM you will need.
No ...... you only need to get the engine to turn over in order to ignite the fuel to fire the cylinders, I've been starting motorcycles from a push for 40 years and never had to get up to 20-25 mph, plus my fat friends could never go that fast. Well, I guess even my skinny ones can't either. Third gear is usually the best to use for a push start, less impact on the engine, less chance of just locking up the back tire because of the gear ratio.
 
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Old May 29, 2012 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by frog13
No ...... you only need to get the engine to turn over in order to ignite the fuel to fire the cylinders, I've been starting motorcycles from a push for 40 years and never had to get up to 20-25 mph, plus my fat friends could never go that fast. Well, I guess even my skinny ones can't either. Third gear is usually the best to use for a push start, less impact on the engine, less chance of just locking up the back tire because of the gear ratio.
Remember, my friend, this is EFI. I understand where you are coming from, I used to push off Volkswagons and the rule then was one MPH and dump the clutch. Think about it, my friend. No disrespect intended...
Certain conditions will need to be met. The 103" is not turning over very much in third at 20 mph, just saying. When I get back home in a few days, I may try this myself, on a long hill of course. After all, I don't ride with any olympic sprinters!
 
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Old May 29, 2012 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sgdiesel
Never got to investigate to get a full understanding or even whether it is true, but I have often heard that you should not jump start a vehicle that has a cat installed. May be nonsense, really should do the research some time
I'm not trying to flame you or your post however I'm lost trying to wrap my head around why the cat would factor into bump starting a vehicle.
Now I do know for a fact that bump starting a fuel injected Harley with a completely dead battery isn't going to happen. The injectors need some electricity to cycle but I have bump started mine before however there was a bit of juice left. Not enough to turn it over though.
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Old May 29, 2012 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdumbnoitall00
got to time the bounce with droppin the clutch so the tire gets movin,I've pushed a 96 in 2nd and got it to start.
Ditto but it was a bitch by myself.....
 
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Old May 29, 2012 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PassRusher75
Remember, my friend, this is EFI. I understand where you are coming from, I used to push off Volkswagons and the rule then was one MPH and dump the clutch. Think about it, my friend. No disrespect intended...
Certain conditions will need to be met. The 103" is not turning over very much in third at 20 mph, just saying. When I get back home in a few days, I may try this myself, on a long hill of course. After all, I don't ride with any olympic sprinters!
Yeah, I'm with you, especially on needing a hill. I haven't tried it either, but I do think it will work. The caveat is, usually in the old days we pushed because the battery was low, now that is going to be a big issue on an EFI bike. I do think it will work on a fully charged battery bike, which means the only reason you may need to push it would be because the starter took a dump. I think the thing the OP was trying to popnt out was the bigger motors aren't going to be as easy to turn over when they are being pushed, but I do remember having friends with 104" high compression shovelheads that were no fun to push start, or kick either! When you want to push them you needed some serious weightlifting sprinters.
 
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Old May 29, 2012 | 12:36 PM
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Is it true that the 103" must turn over a minimum RPM in order for the ignition to fire?
 
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Old May 29, 2012 | 12:41 PM
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Thinking this through, the electric starter turns the clutch basket which transfers the motion to the primary chain which in turn rolls the crank shaft over.
When ya push start the bike, the motion of the back wheel turns the primary pulley which turns the gears in the tranny which turns clutch basket which transfers the motion to the primary chain which rolls the crank shaft over.
Both methods turn the crank shaft to get the motor running.
Now what is the problem again with push starting a bike and the effect on the motor?
 
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