2009 touring true track
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From: Fly Over Country
I'm heading to Sturgis after this install and I was thinking, as grbrown pointed out, "...You'll probably be a bit fitter when you've finished." which really means I'll be hurting all over after laying on the floor all contorted after this project...
I'm not as young as I used to be...
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From: Beaumont, TX
I tried my sears lift & yeah, it's right in the work area. The floor jack got me plenty of height. Re: the added vibrations. I didn't feel them at first. As the driver, my feet are on those rubber floorboards. The handlebars aren't any different. I only can sense a slight feeling from my seat. And if she hadn't said anything it's doubtful I'd ever picked up on it. To me I'm way more intwined or in-tuned or joined as one to this motorcycle now. I keep diving into twists now which is very different & exhilarating. After you get yours on & do your trip please let me know if you experience these same kind of improvements
Hope this helps
David
Hope this helps
David
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Just installed mine last week. Bike is a 2010 Ltd. Here are my observations:
-Materials and workmanship are as good as it gets. Nice cnc machining and design. It will keep the bottom of the motor from moving laterally, that's for sure. The stabilizer link is a thing of beauty.
-Install instructions could use a re-do, as well as the pictures in the instructions. Pictures were so bad they were useless. I was surprised at the poor quality of the instructions when compared to the high quality of the product.
-I too was perplexed until a call to Ron confirmed that the flat piece was in-fact a two piece unit that comes bolted together and must be separated before the install. The HD flat frame brace is then sandwiched between these two pieces and then all bolted together as one unit. The fit is very close to perfect.
-Ron has always made time to talk to me on the phone the two times I called. These folks are super friendly and willing to help their customers regardless of the time it takes.
-Installation on the kickstand was no problem. Sure, a lift table would be the best way to go, especially at my age. But a motorcycle jack won't work since the damn thing will be in the way.
-I was bummed that the crossover had to be removed. When I installed my FM 2-1-2 header, I remember that I had to replace the gasket ($8) cause I frigged-up the original one trying to force the union. I found that using some silver anti-seize on the inside of the gasket allows the old gasket to slip right on the pipe without much issue. I kept the left muffler attached to the cross-over pipe to maintain my original orientations. I used a single bolt in the muffler bracket to hold the muffler up while guiding the crossover piece back on the right side of the header. Work it slow (that's what she said) and it will be no problem getting it to slip back on without screwing-up that $8 gasket. Use the anti-seize as a lube. The anti-seize was Ron's idea and it works.
-Don't guess at the torque in this installation. Use a good inch-pound and a good foot-pound torque wrench. You can easily strip the oil pan bolts if you over torque them.
-Ron said he could install this in about 15 minutes. I suppose after my initial install, I could install it much quicker the next time. It took me well over an hour since I was taking it slow and meticulous.
-I have about 1/4 inch clearance between the crossover and the bracket material. If you don't have at least this much, then adjust the crossover pipe in the bracket hanger to give you this clearance. For sure they are not supposed to be touching and I figure that 1/4" is about as close as I would want them to be to each other.
-I didn't ride the bike for 24 hours to allow the locktite to cure. I am just funny that way.
Ride impressions: For the first time, the front wheel and the rear wheel feel as one. No joke, I could tell a difference the moment the bike started rolling. The feeling gets better as you speed-up and have to start taking some turns. I had never experienced the death wobble or any serious wiggles in sweepers, so I cannot comment on any changes there by trying to duplicate that condition. But I will say that there is a feeling of "solidness" that I have now, more so than before. Maybe I am suffering from a placebo effect, but I don't think so.
I will give a better report later after a few thousand more miles. But early indications are that the True Track keeps the bike in a stability zone that the rider can feel and appreciate.
Remember to ask for the forum discount of 10% when you purchase this unit. The folks at True Track are happy to apply this discount for you. They take credit cards and PayPal.
Sorry I didn't take any pictures.
-Materials and workmanship are as good as it gets. Nice cnc machining and design. It will keep the bottom of the motor from moving laterally, that's for sure. The stabilizer link is a thing of beauty.
-Install instructions could use a re-do, as well as the pictures in the instructions. Pictures were so bad they were useless. I was surprised at the poor quality of the instructions when compared to the high quality of the product.
-I too was perplexed until a call to Ron confirmed that the flat piece was in-fact a two piece unit that comes bolted together and must be separated before the install. The HD flat frame brace is then sandwiched between these two pieces and then all bolted together as one unit. The fit is very close to perfect.
-Ron has always made time to talk to me on the phone the two times I called. These folks are super friendly and willing to help their customers regardless of the time it takes.
-Installation on the kickstand was no problem. Sure, a lift table would be the best way to go, especially at my age. But a motorcycle jack won't work since the damn thing will be in the way.
-I was bummed that the crossover had to be removed. When I installed my FM 2-1-2 header, I remember that I had to replace the gasket ($8) cause I frigged-up the original one trying to force the union. I found that using some silver anti-seize on the inside of the gasket allows the old gasket to slip right on the pipe without much issue. I kept the left muffler attached to the cross-over pipe to maintain my original orientations. I used a single bolt in the muffler bracket to hold the muffler up while guiding the crossover piece back on the right side of the header. Work it slow (that's what she said) and it will be no problem getting it to slip back on without screwing-up that $8 gasket. Use the anti-seize as a lube. The anti-seize was Ron's idea and it works.
-Don't guess at the torque in this installation. Use a good inch-pound and a good foot-pound torque wrench. You can easily strip the oil pan bolts if you over torque them.
-Ron said he could install this in about 15 minutes. I suppose after my initial install, I could install it much quicker the next time. It took me well over an hour since I was taking it slow and meticulous.
-I have about 1/4 inch clearance between the crossover and the bracket material. If you don't have at least this much, then adjust the crossover pipe in the bracket hanger to give you this clearance. For sure they are not supposed to be touching and I figure that 1/4" is about as close as I would want them to be to each other.
-I didn't ride the bike for 24 hours to allow the locktite to cure. I am just funny that way.
Ride impressions: For the first time, the front wheel and the rear wheel feel as one. No joke, I could tell a difference the moment the bike started rolling. The feeling gets better as you speed-up and have to start taking some turns. I had never experienced the death wobble or any serious wiggles in sweepers, so I cannot comment on any changes there by trying to duplicate that condition. But I will say that there is a feeling of "solidness" that I have now, more so than before. Maybe I am suffering from a placebo effect, but I don't think so.
I will give a better report later after a few thousand more miles. But early indications are that the True Track keeps the bike in a stability zone that the rider can feel and appreciate.
Remember to ask for the forum discount of 10% when you purchase this unit. The folks at True Track are happy to apply this discount for you. They take credit cards and PayPal.
Sorry I didn't take any pictures.
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[QUOTE=ebigfish;10127160]I don't have a lift table....
so, can this be bolted on to the bike with the bike resting on the kickstand sitting on the garage floor? (and me flat on my back next to it...)
I think if I put my bike up on the MC jack, the jack would be in the way...
I wouldn't do it on a free standing jack.
I did mine on a ramp table jack tied down and wheel chocked. There is some pushing and pulling to get your slip on pipe off and back on. Also if you have V Hines headers these have to be loosened up from jugs and mount. Stock headers don't have to loosen but I know v and h is and was a must.
After that all went well. I'm glad I did it.
so, can this be bolted on to the bike with the bike resting on the kickstand sitting on the garage floor? (and me flat on my back next to it...)
I think if I put my bike up on the MC jack, the jack would be in the way...
I wouldn't do it on a free standing jack.
I did mine on a ramp table jack tied down and wheel chocked. There is some pushing and pulling to get your slip on pipe off and back on. Also if you have V Hines headers these have to be loosened up from jugs and mount. Stock headers don't have to loosen but I know v and h is and was a must.
After that all went well. I'm glad I did it.
Last edited by Gliden; Jul 28, 2012 at 04:40 PM.
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I wonder if Ron/True-Track will be at Sturgis doing installs. I'd go for it in a heartbeat, and I dont even have any wobble!
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Just installed mine last week. Bike is a 2010 Ltd. Here are my observations:
-Materials and workmanship are as good as it gets. Nice cnc machining and design. It will keep the bottom of the motor from moving laterally, that's for sure. The stabilizer link is a thing of beauty.
-Install instructions could use a re-do, as well as the pictures in the instructions. Pictures were so bad they were useless. I was surprised at the poor quality of the instructions when compared to the high quality of the product.
-I too was perplexed until a call to Ron confirmed that the flat piece was in-fact a two piece unit that comes bolted together and must be separated before the install. The HD flat frame brace is then sandwiched between these two pieces and then all bolted together as one unit. The fit is very close to perfect.
-Ron has always made time to talk to me on the phone the two times I called. These folks are super friendly and willing to help their customers regardless of the time it takes.
-Installation on the kickstand was no problem. Sure, a lift table would be the best way to go, especially at my age. But a motorcycle jack won't work since the damn thing will be in the way.
-I was bummed that the crossover had to be removed. When I installed my FM 2-1-2 header, I remember that I had to replace the gasket ($8) cause I frigged-up the original one trying to force the union. I found that using some silver anti-seize on the inside of the gasket allows the old gasket to slip right on the pipe without much issue. I kept the left muffler attached to the cross-over pipe to maintain my original orientations. I used a single bolt in the muffler bracket to hold the muffler up while guiding the crossover piece back on the right side of the header. Work it slow (that's what she said) and it will be no problem getting it to slip back on without screwing-up that $8 gasket. Use the anti-seize as a lube. The anti-seize was Ron's idea and it works.
-Don't guess at the torque in this installation. Use a good inch-pound and a good foot-pound torque wrench. You can easily strip the oil pan bolts if you over torque them.
-Ron said he could install this in about 15 minutes. I suppose after my initial install, I could install it much quicker the next time. It took me well over an hour since I was taking it slow and meticulous.
-I have about 1/4 inch clearance between the crossover and the bracket material. If you don't have at least this much, then adjust the crossover pipe in the bracket hanger to give you this clearance. For sure they are not supposed to be touching and I figure that 1/4" is about as close as I would want them to be to each other.
-I didn't ride the bike for 24 hours to allow the locktite to cure. I am just funny that way.
Ride impressions: For the first time, the front wheel and the rear wheel feel as one. No joke, I could tell a difference the moment the bike started rolling. The feeling gets better as you speed-up and have to start taking some turns. I had never experienced the death wobble or any serious wiggles in sweepers, so I cannot comment on any changes there by trying to duplicate that condition. But I will say that there is a feeling of "solidness" that I have now, more so than before. Maybe I am suffering from a placebo effect, but I don't think so.
I will give a better report later after a few thousand more miles. But early indications are that the True Track keeps the bike in a stability zone that the rider can feel and appreciate.
Remember to ask for the forum discount of 10% when you purchase this unit. The folks at True Track are happy to apply this discount for you. They take credit cards and PayPal.
Sorry I didn't take any pictures.
-Materials and workmanship are as good as it gets. Nice cnc machining and design. It will keep the bottom of the motor from moving laterally, that's for sure. The stabilizer link is a thing of beauty.
-Install instructions could use a re-do, as well as the pictures in the instructions. Pictures were so bad they were useless. I was surprised at the poor quality of the instructions when compared to the high quality of the product.
-I too was perplexed until a call to Ron confirmed that the flat piece was in-fact a two piece unit that comes bolted together and must be separated before the install. The HD flat frame brace is then sandwiched between these two pieces and then all bolted together as one unit. The fit is very close to perfect.
-Ron has always made time to talk to me on the phone the two times I called. These folks are super friendly and willing to help their customers regardless of the time it takes.
-Installation on the kickstand was no problem. Sure, a lift table would be the best way to go, especially at my age. But a motorcycle jack won't work since the damn thing will be in the way.
-I was bummed that the crossover had to be removed. When I installed my FM 2-1-2 header, I remember that I had to replace the gasket ($8) cause I frigged-up the original one trying to force the union. I found that using some silver anti-seize on the inside of the gasket allows the old gasket to slip right on the pipe without much issue. I kept the left muffler attached to the cross-over pipe to maintain my original orientations. I used a single bolt in the muffler bracket to hold the muffler up while guiding the crossover piece back on the right side of the header. Work it slow (that's what she said) and it will be no problem getting it to slip back on without screwing-up that $8 gasket. Use the anti-seize as a lube. The anti-seize was Ron's idea and it works.
-Don't guess at the torque in this installation. Use a good inch-pound and a good foot-pound torque wrench. You can easily strip the oil pan bolts if you over torque them.
-Ron said he could install this in about 15 minutes. I suppose after my initial install, I could install it much quicker the next time. It took me well over an hour since I was taking it slow and meticulous.
-I have about 1/4 inch clearance between the crossover and the bracket material. If you don't have at least this much, then adjust the crossover pipe in the bracket hanger to give you this clearance. For sure they are not supposed to be touching and I figure that 1/4" is about as close as I would want them to be to each other.
-I didn't ride the bike for 24 hours to allow the locktite to cure. I am just funny that way.
Ride impressions: For the first time, the front wheel and the rear wheel feel as one. No joke, I could tell a difference the moment the bike started rolling. The feeling gets better as you speed-up and have to start taking some turns. I had never experienced the death wobble or any serious wiggles in sweepers, so I cannot comment on any changes there by trying to duplicate that condition. But I will say that there is a feeling of "solidness" that I have now, more so than before. Maybe I am suffering from a placebo effect, but I don't think so.
I will give a better report later after a few thousand more miles. But early indications are that the True Track keeps the bike in a stability zone that the rider can feel and appreciate.
Remember to ask for the forum discount of 10% when you purchase this unit. The folks at True Track are happy to apply this discount for you. They take credit cards and PayPal.
Sorry I didn't take any pictures.