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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 12:12 PM
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there must be something to it since Caterpillar uses it on heavy equipment tires from the factory. I can't see CAT waisting $$$
 
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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 12:29 PM
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We use nitrogen in our race car tires, it is more extreme but if I go out for a 10 lap practice the pressure will not build as much as oxygen and change the tire, a tire after all is a type of spring, more pressure stiffer spring, less softer. With oxygen it can build as much a 10lbs over what we originally put in it to start, nitrogen will only go up a few pounds, nitrogen also will not leak out as quickly as oxygen.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 12:40 PM
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I can tell you from experience that Nitrogen is the way to go. I am in the industry and work at an air seperation plant, which is where you get liquid and gaseous nitrogen from. Nitrigen Will run cooler in your tires which will equate to better wear on your tire and will not expand and contract like regular air. When you check your air in your tires depending upon the temp outside or if the vehicle has been driven the pressure will vary, with Nitrogen filled tires it stays constant. Nitrogen also has no moisture in it either which means no break down of the tire due to rust, water, etc.. For 10 bucks a tire it is well worth it. I run it in every vehicle i own including my boat trailer tires and have seen dramatic increases in my MPG, tire wear and tire longevity.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Expat1
Nitrogen pressure-temperature relation is predictable, moist compressed air is not. Certain applications such as aircraft landing gear tires are said to require nitrogen.
Yes they are, between climbing and descending altitudes there are incredible temperature extremes. Nitrogen in this case is not going to expand or contract as the aircraft passes through different altitudes. Now what does this have to do with motorcycle tires, Nitrogen is never a must have for the average ground vehicle UNLESS it is under heavy loads (IE: heavy equipment), high G force loads which over time could cause a side wall failure, and last but not least extreme temperature changes. (+/- 40deg's) at sea level. This can very depending on your local elevation. (I think the math is something like for every 100ft of elevation it's +/- 0.5 degs but you would have to get with a track guy on that math)

So for your basic H-D rider, unless you are pulling a cross country nitrogen is not a "need". Best of luck.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 12:52 PM
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O.K., if air is already 79% nitrogen and doesn't leak out because it is a bigger molecule, then if you keep having to add air the % of nitrogen would have to keep increasing to the point of not leaking out......right........hahahahahaha. Came in my new mustang but would not spend the extra $ to put it in. Also if ya have a water filter on your compressor there should be no moisture......later....mark
 

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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 12:59 PM
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Since the oxygen leaks at a faster rate, after several "top offs" you have above the ambient concentration of nitrogen anyway, and for free. Perhaps that is why new tires seem to seep pressure for a few months after installation.

Not only is nitrogen more stable over temperature changes, there is no oxygen to cause oxidation at extreme high heat. Most people have no concept of the heat generated in airplane brakes, and it is considerable. The heat radiates outward into the tires and the absence of oxygen is an advantage as the brakes and tires cool. The cold pressure on some aircraft tires can be 150 psi or higher.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 01:21 PM
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What most people are not understanding is that nitrogen has no moisture in it so no corrosion, no breakdown of rubber,no heat and no expansion. It may not be the best investment for the "weekend warrior" but if you ride daily it is worth it. you will save the cost in the first year alone in just tire wear. If you want to go on the cheap and not pay a tire shop or dealer for it, just go to your local welding supply store Like airgas or others and get a small,bottle for like 20 bucks and put a hose nozzle on it, you can get about 10 tires filled on the small BBQ propane sized bottles they have, just will pay a deposit on the tank which is refundable upon return.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 01:48 PM
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I use Harley approved seasonal air. Gonna switch to Fall air this weekend.
 
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I have a compressor, but I just use a nice bicycle pump to top off when I ride if the tires do not read 40 psi. Not a big deal. In about a minute I have both tire running the recommended psi for my tires.
This also reminds me to do some safety checks on the bike. I ride every day.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2012 | 02:00 PM
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i have never paid extra or it. it is all my dealer uses, guess its in the tire install price, whenever im at dealer i can pull into service and they will check it and add as needed for free so that s why i keep it
 
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