The faster you go the less power you have. I vote for oil sumping, but that and $2.50 will buy you a cup of coffee or a beer -- never figured out why some choose coffee!

I feel your pain, choochoo, and agree with you. A real bummer spending that kind of money and not having it run right when it used to and you know it can if someone will just FIX it.

One thing I want to point out, though. I own a Suzuki also, and while they are good bikes, they also have their problems. And, Suzuki is in no bigger hurry to honor problems than MOCO. You can go to any Suzuki forum and find a post just like yours. So, whether it's the Jap companies or MOCO, they all try to maximize their profits at your expense. At least it sounds like they have worked on yours, although maybe they just made it worse. I know some Suzuki owners who could not get their dealer or the company to lift a finger to take care of an obvious warranty defect. I'm afraid it doesn't matter what you buy, if you have a problem you have to hope the maker and dealer will honor the repair and have the skill level to fix the problem.

Sounds like you got a real lemon. I doubt another bike like yours would have as many problems. Good luck choochoo.

 

Sorry...got nothing constructive to add to this thread.
You got to admit, that is funny

 

UNDERSTAND what I am saying.
The pipes,air cleaner and stage one was done at dealer before I picked up bike.
BIKE RAN GREAT FOR FIRST 6-7 MONTHS NO PROBLEMS.
Problem started suddenly not over time. best I can tell.
I pulled a specific hill (4-5 mile long 1500 foot climb) just fine memorial day, two weeks later would NOT pull hill with out downshifting and mileage (mpg)went down.
It is NOT fuel related. That has all been checked plus new injectors.
Dealer blames mufflers then forgets about them and finds something else not right.
next dealer blames mufflers but then finds something else.
etc.
I know stage one doesn't do sampson map.
Race tuner should of corrected that.
Then they re-ringed motor and did valve job.
Then it was back to blaming the mufflers again.
They keep blaming mufflers but NEVER pull them change them out to confirm.
Now bike is 100% stock and they have confirmed problem is still there.
So guess what???
It's in the damn original configuration of bike NOT the one after market non HD part!!!!!
So unless it is fixed right it DOES come under the lemon law!!!

 

When did they replace the mufflers? That's the first time in this entire string that you've mentioned them replacing them. Mufflers CAN stop an engine from reaching its' full power band for several reasons, typically because of internal obstruction of one kind or another. If you have vacuum gauges, you can often find it because the restricted air flow will cause a loss of vacuum.

But for the life of me, I don't EVER recall you sayin' that they'd replaced the mufflers.

 

No I was NOT going uphill in a headwind. You need to go back to beginning of post and re read.
I had just bottomed out at bottom of hill I was doing about 60 as I came up behind car doing 50 maybe 55mph.
NO head wind!
I had power in 5th to come around him ( thought maybe he was going to turn rigt so reason he was slow----But don't know).
I had just cleared him by maybe 50 or 60 feet. Time to move back my lane.
I did so, when I went to give a little more throttle (I was about 26-2800 rpm) bike started to accelerate , but then suddenly stumbled. Didn't pickup any more speed.
It used to BEFORE this problem started back last June.
But then the problem was up around 90. then it dropped to about 85, then 80.
But dealer swore problem had been corrected.
And prior to this I did have bike up in that range.
But what it did day of wreck was suddne no warning and at a lower speed.
THis points to a problem other than just sumping I know, but I think sumping may still be part of it.
They speeded up AFTER I was around them I was moving back into my lane.
my point about 95 mph you mis read.
bought 11/21/05 on 1/1/06 with 1200 miles on bike it did 110-115 into a severe head wind.
I know max speed U.S is mostly 75mph.
But don't try to tell me everybody here has NEVER once on an open road pushed their bike to the max just because. I live in a very desolate and isolated area, wide open roads but near mountains.
Now numerous times up until 6/2006 this bike would easily attain that speed one up level.
would pull the aforementioned hill at 95 5th.
but then suddeenly (not a gradual loss in power) it would not. Problem was getting worse.
Dealer blames mufflers, but drops that and goes to injectors, then goes to race tuner, then goes to re-ring. Never once has 2 dealers ever did a diagnosis to prove or disprove the mufflers.
They blame them but then go fix or add on something else.
Anyway see my new thread here about the repair estimate.
I started riding in 1964

[quote]ORIGINAL: MyBluOx

[quote]ORIGINAL: choochoo


speed is not the issue. but speed and power go hand in hand.
My statement in beginning was.
On day one installed SE a/c, sampsons and stage 1 d/l at dealer.
for next 6 - 7 months the bike had the POWER and capability to attain a speed of upto 110-115mph. Takes power to be able to accomplih that.
When you have something happen to the bike that causes a loss in POWER, then you will
have a correlating loss in ability to attain the speed.
I noticed the power loss NOT in ability to go over a 100mph, but in a loss of pulling power
on hills.
Before problem began bike would easily pull up a specific hill that was approx 4 -5 miles long
and went up 1500 feet in altitude at 95 mph in 5 th gear.
when the problem manifested it self the bike would start at bottom of hill at 75 mph in 5th gearand in 1/4 mile would LOSE speed and NOT have the power to regainn it, without downshifting to 4th (read above it WOULD do it before the problem started).
Then over time the loss power became more and more pronounced.
And the top end speed reduced proportionately. Till under optimal conditions, single rider, flat and level, no head wind the bike will NOT exceed 85mph in 5th. but will get to 90 in 4th near redline.
So there is a problem in 5th gear when you no longer have the advantage gear ratio's working in favor of the bike.
But dealer is now convinced there is a definite problem and assures me it will be corrected no matter what.
My normal driving speed is 65- 80 mph. but I live in the mountains, so it takes more available power to attain and maintain those speeds than in nebraska or kansas flatlands.
And the bike HAD this available power for the first 6-7 months.
so will see.
[quote]ORIGINAL: Custom07RKC

[quote]ORIGINAL: choochoo


Not saying metrics are better or worse;
I've owned and rode honda, kawasak

 

I agree the day of wreck could of been a connector or such...it's possible.
But that does not explain a long term problem (6 months).
It only gets doggish in 5 th gear (least amount of gear ratio advantage) and after
15 or 20 minutes or longer at highway speeds.
That would tend to indicate sumping.
Low speeds stop and go gives pump a chance to scavenge excess oil,
but at high speeds with defective oil pump mount o-ring, the pump could put oil in engine
faster than it can scavenge and in time flood the sump, bogging down the flywheel and other rotating parts.
But the sudden fall off indicates something else.
Is it just coincidence or was it something dealer did or missed? Don't know.

 

I got a 12 month season here in Cheyenne.
Bike was never stock per se.
All mods were done at dealer day I took delivery.
Ran great for 6 or 7 months

 

Apparently you've missed something here too.
I said a class action is an option, because in this group and in others at other sites, this same gutless (power loss) is becoming an issue.
what I was looking for was for others with same problem. Compare details and everything else.
Then if respective dealers and HDmoco don't come up with a solution, then a class action would be a possible option. But it takes enough other people that have same problem ad have exhausted other options to make it viable.
I was throwing that out there. Not saying it was the ONLY option.
As for attitude, I don't have one, until somebody starts the NAME CALLING and deriding my or anyones abilities in anything.
That type of response is not constructive and really is uncalled for.
Never in any of my posts have I slandered any one person here or called them dumb or stupid and don't know how to ride etc.
I have come down on moco, because after several trips to them to get aproblem correctly diagnosed and fixed, all I get is "It's the MUFFLERS"
Why? Because they're NOT Harley?
Well if they so strongly believe that's what it is, then why in 6 months now, haven't they done a diagnosis to prove or disprove that theory?
NO, they decide it's the injectors, then they decide I MUST HAVE a race tuner (Harley's of course) (even though this bike ran GREAT from day one for 6 months without it), Then they decide, no we need to re-ring the engine,
then AFTER the wreck they go back to blaming the mufflers again, but they still have NOT done anything to prove or disprove.
Well after 3 times in the dealer and them having the bike for about 2 months you tend to get a little pi**ed. And don't tell me you would be too. If it was your.
Yes I know people have suggested sumpin, and I believe them. I brought it up to the dealer
and without even considering it he said NO that's not it without even checking!
Now they say they will check every possibilty.
But now they are saying frame is damaged. Don't know how, sliding on 18 " snow about a total of 20 feet, on right side, bike dug in, came upright and landed on left side and stopped.
I didn't even get a bruise or a scratch and all I had on for protection was chaps and leather coat,
and boots and gloves ( yes I had street clothes on underneath).
so now on hold till insurance sees the $10,890 estimate!
With problems I'm hearing on the 07's I don't think I want one of them either!

 

Yes I know other makes also have problems to and maximize bottom line.
But if everybody just lays down and rolls over it won't get any better.
People need to band together in order to get anything changed.
To bad it has to be that way, but that's the way it is.
Yes I think sumping too as the main issue.

 

You mispelled the word, concerned. [sm=icon_rofl.gif]