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RE: to HDMOCO investor relations POS flhtci
Choochoo, understand what the MOCO is telling you. Basically they will not warrant any aftermarket components and the Sampson pipes deffinitely affect the fuel and power of your bike. All you need to do is install the stock exhaust on your bike and take it back. The MOCO can say nothing then. If you have a high flow a/c it requires a download. Leave the a/c, isntall stock pipes and have them fix it. After fixed install your pipes. It sounds as if it could be a fuel pressure issue.
Lemon law will not apply with the sampson slip-on's, but will with stock. Trust me, put it to stock and they have no excuses. Your bike willget fixed.
Lemon law will not apply with the sampson slip-on's, but will with stock. Trust me, put it to stock and they have no excuses. Your bike willget fixed.
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well the 84 goldwing engine is considerably smaller (I believe 1100 or 1200 cc)than the TC88
the new is about 1800 cc about 300 cc bigger than the tc88
so yes the engine is bigger and would allow it to outrun the 06 flhtci.
all things equal. it also averages 125 ftlb torque and 118 bhp.
It's not an engine issue, unless the dealer screwed up on the rebuild.
I don't believe it is the mufflers either. neither does Samson mfg.
If dealer honestly thoroughly checked EVERYTHING else, then is either
bad ECM, bad harness, or most likely a sumping issue. As it only happens
highway speed after about 10 or more miles of running 65+mph.
and the issue started about 6 months after the purchase and installation of
performance parts (bought from dealer on day 1) and has been a problem
before during and after the dealer did injectors, race tuner, and rebuild.
Well we will know in about a month.
ORIGINAL: jerseyjeff62
pull your plugs...what color are they? if they are white it's running too lean and you probally burnt a valve. as far as you comparing a H-D to a goldwing.the motors are different cc'c aren't they? compare apples to apples please
pull your plugs...what color are they? if they are white it's running too lean and you probally burnt a valve. as far as you comparing a H-D to a goldwing.the motors are different cc'c aren't they? compare apples to apples please
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speed is not the issue. but speed and power go hand in hand.
My statement in beginning was.
On day one installed SE a/c, sampsons and stage 1 d/l at dealer.
for next 6 - 7 months the bike had the POWER and capability to attain a speed of upto 110-115mph. Takes power to be able to accomplih that.
When you have something happen to the bike that causes a loss in POWER, then you will
have a correlating loss in ability to attain the speed.
I noticed the power loss NOT in ability to go over a 100mph, but in a loss of pulling power
on hills.
Before problem began bike would easily pull up a specific hill that was approx 4 -5 miles long
and went up 1500 feet in altitude at 95 mph in 5 th gear.
when the problem manifested it self the bike would start at bottom of hill at 75 mph in 5th gearand in 1/4 mile would LOSE speed and NOT have the power to regainn it, without downshifting to 4th (read above it WOULD do it before the problem started).
Then over time the loss power became more and more pronounced.
And the top end speed reduced proportionately. Till under optimal conditions, single rider, flat and level, no head wind the bike will NOT exceed 85mph in 5th. but will get to 90 in 4th near redline.
So there is a problem in 5th gear when you no longer have the advantage gear ratio's working in favor of the bike.
But dealer is now convinced there is a definite problem and assures me it will be corrected no matter what.
My normal driving speed is 65- 80 mph. but I live in the mountains, so it takes more available power to attain and maintain those speeds than in nebraska or kansas flatlands.
And the bike HAD this available power for the first 6-7 months.
so will see.
ORIGINAL: Custom07RKC
Seems you have an issue with speed and the ability to outrun things, you have mentioned it in several threads in different posting. Question, if speed was something on our mind why did you buy a Harley in the first place, and if you are obsessed with speed post your bike in the classifieds and go buy a sport bike.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Not saying metrics are better or worse;
I've owned and rode honda, kawasaki, suzuki, triumph, nortons and harleys.
But my friend has a 1984 100% stock golwing,
it has out ran my 98 roadglide, my 01 flhtci, 01 flhrpi, and theis new 06 flhtci.
and his new 06 goldwing, is so much faster
Not saying metrics are better or worse;
I've owned and rode honda, kawasaki, suzuki, triumph, nortons and harleys.
But my friend has a 1984 100% stock golwing,
it has out ran my 98 roadglide, my 01 flhtci, 01 flhrpi, and theis new 06 flhtci.
and his new 06 goldwing, is so much faster
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ORIGINAL: choochoo
speed is not the issue. but speed and power go hand in hand.
My statement in beginning was.
On day one installed SE a/c, sampsons and stage 1 d/l at dealer.
for next 6 - 7 months the bike had the POWER and capability to attain a speed of upto 110-115mph. Takes power to be able to accomplih that.
When you have something happen to the bike that causes a loss in POWER, then you will
have a correlating loss in ability to attain the speed.
I noticed the power loss NOT in ability to go over a 100mph, but in a loss of pulling power
on hills.
Before problem began bike would easily pull up a specific hill that was approx 4 -5 miles long
and went up 1500 feet in altitude at 95 mph in 5 th gear.
when the problem manifested it self the bike would start at bottom of hill at 75 mph in 5th gearand in 1/4 mile would LOSE speed and NOT have the power to regainn it, without downshifting to 4th (read above it WOULD do it before the problem started).
Then over time the loss power became more and more pronounced.
And the top end speed reduced proportionately. Till under optimal conditions, single rider, flat and level, no head wind the bike will NOT exceed 85mph in 5th. but will get to 90 in 4th near redline.
So there is a problem in 5th gear when you no longer have the advantage gear ratio's working in favor of the bike.
But dealer is now convinced there is a definite problem and assures me it will be corrected no matter what.
My normal driving speed is 65- 80 mph. but I live in the mountains, so it takes more available power to attain and maintain those speeds than in nebraska or kansas flatlands.
And the bike HAD this available power for the first 6-7 months.
so will see.
speed is not the issue. but speed and power go hand in hand.
My statement in beginning was.
On day one installed SE a/c, sampsons and stage 1 d/l at dealer.
for next 6 - 7 months the bike had the POWER and capability to attain a speed of upto 110-115mph. Takes power to be able to accomplih that.
When you have something happen to the bike that causes a loss in POWER, then you will
have a correlating loss in ability to attain the speed.
I noticed the power loss NOT in ability to go over a 100mph, but in a loss of pulling power
on hills.
Before problem began bike would easily pull up a specific hill that was approx 4 -5 miles long
and went up 1500 feet in altitude at 95 mph in 5 th gear.
when the problem manifested it self the bike would start at bottom of hill at 75 mph in 5th gearand in 1/4 mile would LOSE speed and NOT have the power to regainn it, without downshifting to 4th (read above it WOULD do it before the problem started).
Then over time the loss power became more and more pronounced.
And the top end speed reduced proportionately. Till under optimal conditions, single rider, flat and level, no head wind the bike will NOT exceed 85mph in 5th. but will get to 90 in 4th near redline.
So there is a problem in 5th gear when you no longer have the advantage gear ratio's working in favor of the bike.
But dealer is now convinced there is a definite problem and assures me it will be corrected no matter what.
My normal driving speed is 65- 80 mph. but I live in the mountains, so it takes more available power to attain and maintain those speeds than in nebraska or kansas flatlands.
And the bike HAD this available power for the first 6-7 months.
so will see.
ORIGINAL: Custom07RKC
Seems you have an issue with speed and the ability to outrun things, you have mentioned it in several threads in different posting. Question, if speed was something on our mind why did you buy a Harley in the first place, and if you are obsessed with speed post your bike in the classifieds and go buy a sport bike.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Not saying metrics are better or worse;
I've owned and rode honda, kawasaki, suzuki, triumph, nortons and harleys.
But my friend has a 1984 100% stock golwing,
it has out ran my 98 roadglide, my 01 flhtci, 01 flhrpi, and theis new 06 flhtci.
and his new 06 goldwing, is so much faster
Not saying metrics are better or worse;
I've owned and rode honda, kawasaki, suzuki, triumph, nortons and harleys.
But my friend has a 1984 100% stock golwing,
it has out ran my 98 roadglide, my 01 flhtci, 01 flhrpi, and theis new 06 flhtci.
and his new 06 goldwing, is so much faster
I wasn't going to post but:Now I feel I have too!
Since your 1st post about this subject; I felt thatthe accident was mostly your fault. I've been riding Harleysfor over 30 years. And hear is my opinion of your situation.
You have an `06 EGC, 88ci with Stage 1, your going uphill into the wind in 5th gear @ approx 60-65mph, You want to pass, your rpms will be aroung 2400- 2600, (Correct me if I'm wrong on this part.).
1) you're lugging the EGC in this situation and should have down shifted.
2) you stated that while you were passing the vehicle, they speeded up. Again you should have down shifted.
3) you also stated the you have been @ 95mph before going uphill into the wind and did not lose speed. This is because you in the power band @ approx 4000-4500 rpm's
4) Final opinion. Drop this nonsense and get on with your life. Learn more about the capabilities of the bike your riding. Up grade to stage 2 if you want to be able to accellerate going uphill while lugging the engine. A nice S&S 510g or andrews 26g cam upgrade will help also.
I sorry you had to take a ditch; but from all of you explainations it could have been prevented by the ride using more common sense.
Just my $.02
Jeff
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first of all you have no clue as to my riding ability!
I used to race dirt bikes when i was younger.
I did the first Barstow to Vegas enduro run back in the early 70's.
Didn't win but I did finish the race.
So don't start blowing s**t out that you know nothing about.
I have NEVER derided or insulted anybody in these forums about
their skills or lack of it or their knowledge or lack of it!
So why don't you all practice the same courtesy!!
in other words I have two letters for your so called uninformed opinion.
Since you all are so smart and so better skilled than myself, I will leave
it to you to deduce what they are.
Enjoy
Sure do love the Jack and coke keeps me mellow......
I used to race dirt bikes when i was younger.
I did the first Barstow to Vegas enduro run back in the early 70's.
Didn't win but I did finish the race.
So don't start blowing s**t out that you know nothing about.
I have NEVER derided or insulted anybody in these forums about
their skills or lack of it or their knowledge or lack of it!
So why don't you all practice the same courtesy!!
in other words I have two letters for your so called uninformed opinion.
Since you all are so smart and so better skilled than myself, I will leave
it to you to deduce what they are.
Enjoy
Sure do love the Jack and coke keeps me mellow......
ORIGINAL: Madav8tr
Yeah just what the world needs, another rider with no skill on a sportbike.
Yeah just what the world needs, another rider with no skill on a sportbike.
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well in the famous words of Gomer Pyle "SURPRIsE SURPRISE!"
Now the dealer has a new and different story.
An HDmoco tech has NOT been assigned (Friday there was a tech assisgned).
Now all they got is a reference number, like I got.
So we are going in circles again.
Friday the service dept AND HDMOCO called me (separately) and said a tech was assigned.
So who knows.
But the dealer service mgr said after the shop confirms and repairs the body damage, they will then get into the loss power problem on the bike.
They figure in about 2 weeks depending on how soon insurance company gives go ahead on repairs. But they assured me that they will provide proof that the mufflers are or are not
at fault and I will be there when they test them. They will also do a sumping test.
If problem is not one of those, they will send bike to factory or bring factory to bike whatever
it takes to correct the problem.
so when it happens I will let everyone know.
Now the dealer has a new and different story.
An HDmoco tech has NOT been assigned (Friday there was a tech assisgned).
Now all they got is a reference number, like I got.
So we are going in circles again.
Friday the service dept AND HDMOCO called me (separately) and said a tech was assigned.
So who knows.
But the dealer service mgr said after the shop confirms and repairs the body damage, they will then get into the loss power problem on the bike.
They figure in about 2 weeks depending on how soon insurance company gives go ahead on repairs. But they assured me that they will provide proof that the mufflers are or are not
at fault and I will be there when they test them. They will also do a sumping test.
If problem is not one of those, they will send bike to factory or bring factory to bike whatever
it takes to correct the problem.
so when it happens I will let everyone know.
ORIGINAL: yoopermjm
When's the HD tech getting a look at the bike? Post what happens after he's done, inquiring minds want to know.
When's the HD tech getting a look at the bike? Post what happens after he's done, inquiring minds want to know.
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Yeah i was staying out of it too ,,,and youve been so nice latley,,,,but,,,i really think the your problem is an intermitent electrical connector at the injectors or in that part of the harness.....connectors can make and then break, and go right back to a make state....what if that happened,,it ran ok after it was dumped.....maybe the injectors were firing but not correctly for a moment ,,,,,,try running that by them and see if it flies up the flag pole...ECM either good or bad.....but again maybe a connection there,,,,,if it were a mechanical problem it would have been appearent by now i would think.....i would suggest a new set of connections just my thoughts...i aint gonna beat on you ,,,,but it aint the mufflers thats insane
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No offense but if the bike was a pooch new and stock........ why would you throw 20 grand at it ? It is a well known fact the passing power does not match a new Wing. Dressers are not advertised to be racers, just touring bikes. Hope you didn't get hurt in your " ditching effort " .
I always keep them stock and ride safe. With a six month riding season no sense spending it in a hospital.
I always keep them stock and ride safe. With a six month riding season no sense spending it in a hospital.
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ChooChoo,
dude have you ever read anything on how to influence people? I'll bet not. from your very first post about possible class action suits and so on, you have handilyalienated any constructive/informative feedback.
if you are carrying that same not so civil attitude into the dealers, it's no surprise these dealers are notjumping through their asses to help you. the same holds truefor theabsolutely antagonistic attitude presented to anyone on this forum who has failed to meet your undefined yet seemingly required response, (agree with me or face the wrath of ChooChoo).
I wish tof*ck I didn't already own a 06 FLHTC, that way I could buy your POS and put you and the rest of us out of all our miseries.
MARINE, it is was past time for you to take at least tensteps back and regroup, shut the f*ck up, and listen a little. Several have offered the sump as a possible problem, which Ithink deserves further investigation. but your tude is unlikely to get most any dealer to even investigate that possibility.
Don't bother looking up "*** h*le" in the dictionary, any cheapo mirror should serve the purpose. for whatit's worth this ole Marine always prefers beer over WHINE...
dude have you ever read anything on how to influence people? I'll bet not. from your very first post about possible class action suits and so on, you have handilyalienated any constructive/informative feedback.
if you are carrying that same not so civil attitude into the dealers, it's no surprise these dealers are notjumping through their asses to help you. the same holds truefor theabsolutely antagonistic attitude presented to anyone on this forum who has failed to meet your undefined yet seemingly required response, (agree with me or face the wrath of ChooChoo).
I wish tof*ck I didn't already own a 06 FLHTC, that way I could buy your POS and put you and the rest of us out of all our miseries.
MARINE, it is was past time for you to take at least tensteps back and regroup, shut the f*ck up, and listen a little. Several have offered the sump as a possible problem, which Ithink deserves further investigation. but your tude is unlikely to get most any dealer to even investigate that possibility.
Don't bother looking up "*** h*le" in the dictionary, any cheapo mirror should serve the purpose. for whatit's worth this ole Marine always prefers beer over WHINE...