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No I was STONE SOBER that day.
Some people here just don't listen.
I was already committed on the pass, I was in front of car I just passed, and moving back into my lane. When bike stumbled at about 10 -15 mph BELOW the previous problem speed. Indicating to me the problem has now deteriorated more. The guy I passed ,now was to close to my behind he came back in beside me on a narrow no shouldered 2 lane road, he kept squeezing me over. If I did NOT take the ditch he would have hit me while he was trying to avoid a head on with the car coming at him.
I already knew bike was capable of 80-85mph after repairs. So it was unexpected for the bike to suddenly falter at the much lower speed. Besides the bike never actually faltered before.
Was just gutless and would lose power up even minor hills (such as an overpass on freeway)
And where I was at , at the time brakes would of not done any good.
By the way I do know how to ride!
I dmitted up front I knew I would be flamed and I told you don't bother.
The idea of the post was to let other people know of problem, link up with those that are having same (in direct contact with 10 so far and comparing notes). And try to work together to get HDMOCO to acknowledge a power loss (gutless) problem exists and we need assistance to get to the root cause and get it fixed.
If that means bashing the moco here so be it. Because they undoubtedly visit here to see what is going on.
ORIGINAL: darkside
Were you drinking Jack and Coke when you had your accident? Does your bike have brakes? Why did you not just use them and slide back into your own lane. Seems to me the best thing that could happen is for you to sell that bike and make the roads safer for those of us that know how to ride.
Were you drinking Jack and Coke when you had your accident? Does your bike have brakes? Why did you not just use them and slide back into your own lane. Seems to me the best thing that could happen is for you to sell that bike and make the roads safer for those of us that know how to ride.
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But in this group of forums and others, I am seeing a common thread on numerous items
that todate HDMOCO is refusing to address.
air temp gauges, oil sumping, gutless on highway, etc.
And if we as individuals don't keep pressure on HD and dealer network to get these fixed,
they will never do it willingly.
they will think everything is just fine and dandy and hunky dory out here in the real world if we don't file our complaints and be as vociferous about it as possible.
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Wahl now...mebbe ah'm jest dense - but didn't someone say that the sumpin' wuz found by HD an' repaired under warranty?
One thang ta remember when complainin' - a reasonable, rationale complaint will generally get attention. One that degrades and screams is likely to be ignored as someone that is simply not worth the hassle.
But in this group of forums and others, I am seeing a common thread on numerous items
that todate HDMOCO is refusing to address.
air temp gauges, oil sumping, gutless on highway, etc.
And if we as individuals don't keep pressure on HD and dealer network to get these fixed,
they will never do it willingly.
they will think everything is just fine and dandy and hunky dory out here in the real world if we don't file our complaints and be as vociferous about it as possible.
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Wahl now...mebbe ah'm jest dense - but didn't someone say that the sumpin' wuz found by HD an' repaired under warranty?
One thang ta remember when complainin' - a reasonable, rationale complaint will generally get attention. One that degrades and screams is likely to be ignored as someone that is simply not worth the hassle.
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This is what I've been saying all along.
1st dealer blamed my mufflers even though it ran like you said (scalded *** ape) for 6 months.
Then he dropped that issue did the injector up grade.
2nd dealer blamed mufflers, but insisted I needed the HD Race tuner. Still not fixed.
then blamed mufflers again but failed to diagnose them and prove them at fault.
dropped the issue and re-ringed the motor per HDMOCO.
Now they are blaming the SE a/c and mufflers I bought at the dealer.
So far they refuse to believe the sumping issue.
per one dealer my specs are about 5 to 10 below what I should expect (hp and lbs per ft),
but the other dealer says I am right where I should be.
But reading guys statements here I believe I am low.
Well it's at dealer now and a HDMOCO tech has been assigned to the issue.
sure hope I win on the power issue.
thanks for your input, maybe some of the others here should spend more time reading posts on this issue and unexpected situations etc, and garner and collect the info, before they start flaming. but oh well.
ORIGINAL: Yoman
ChooChoo,
Sorry about all the problems you are having. When I bought my new 06 Ultra, I was very unhappy with how it ran. My previous bike was a Honday VTX1800. That bike ran like a scalled ape. I took the bike back to the dealer and told him to check it out. He did and couldn't find anything wrong. At the 1000 mile check up I had him add the SE intake and a set of Rinehart SO's. Bike ran better but still not right. Ran extremely HOT and cruising down the interstate at 70 mph you could roll on the throttle and nothing happened. Had it checked several times.......nothing. Finally took it to another dealer and he told me I needed a fuel manager. OK...install a SERT and dyno it. But when the tech did a post install run on the dyno, he got 40 HP and 42 FPT. He had seen this before and found the engine was SUMPING.... bad o-ring on the oil pump. Replaced the o-ring installed theSERT and now I'm happy. Bike runs great. Just my 2 cents....
Yoman
ChooChoo,
Sorry about all the problems you are having. When I bought my new 06 Ultra, I was very unhappy with how it ran. My previous bike was a Honday VTX1800. That bike ran like a scalled ape. I took the bike back to the dealer and told him to check it out. He did and couldn't find anything wrong. At the 1000 mile check up I had him add the SE intake and a set of Rinehart SO's. Bike ran better but still not right. Ran extremely HOT and cruising down the interstate at 70 mph you could roll on the throttle and nothing happened. Had it checked several times.......nothing. Finally took it to another dealer and he told me I needed a fuel manager. OK...install a SERT and dyno it. But when the tech did a post install run on the dyno, he got 40 HP and 42 FPT. He had seen this before and found the engine was SUMPING.... bad o-ring on the oil pump. Replaced the o-ring installed theSERT and now I'm happy. Bike runs great. Just my 2 cents....
Yoman
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I plan too if it's not fixed right this time. But I think it will be.
We now have a HDMOCO tech assigned to the problem and he will assist the dealer
And yeah I am having fun. but I'm not pissed yet.
ORIGINAL: BlkSilverado
Post a picture when you paint on the lemons... Hope your having fun being pissed off...
Post a picture when you paint on the lemons... Hope your having fun being pissed off...
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I know that thanks.
But I think between here (hdforums) and other forums on the net,
we are starting to see a common consensus with the gutless at highway speeds,
and most have been attributed to sumping.
That being the case with enough people voicing their complaint and being persistent in it
it will show up in HDMOCO database. then they will investigate the issue and possibly issue a bulletin on it and do a voluntary repair.
That's what I am doing here. Trying to get enough people here to listen, and tell their friends
about the issue. Just because you are not having the problem doesn't mean one of your friends isn't.
See where I'm going with this??
And flaming me and my abilities to ride won't change anything.
But I think between here (hdforums) and other forums on the net,
we are starting to see a common consensus with the gutless at highway speeds,
and most have been attributed to sumping.
That being the case with enough people voicing their complaint and being persistent in it
it will show up in HDMOCO database. then they will investigate the issue and possibly issue a bulletin on it and do a voluntary repair.
That's what I am doing here. Trying to get enough people here to listen, and tell their friends
about the issue. Just because you are not having the problem doesn't mean one of your friends isn't.
See where I'm going with this??
And flaming me and my abilities to ride won't change anything.
ORIGINAL: ditch_dgr
I just checked the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration webpage and there are no recalls, service bulletins, or defect investigations for your bike (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov). I wish you luck.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
But I don't see any link that takes you to any recalls or service bulletins. MAybe I'm blind.
But I don't see any link that takes you to any recalls or service bulletins. MAybe I'm blind.
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Thanks for your info.
same thing here in Wyoming.
After about 6 months of complaining to dealers and HDMOCO they have finally assigned the service manager at the dealer to this problem and a HDMOCO factory tech.
Now if they will just listen to me and at least check for sumping and diagnose the mufflers to prove or disprove them being at fault, we can move on.
The dealer has diagnosed (so he claims) everything else.
so hopefully soon in about 2 or 3 weeks we will have this solved.
mean time back to the 01 flhtci rebuild and the jack and coke!
Soon as I take some pictures will post here of the 01. maybe tomorrow.
ORIGINAL: 98rdking
choochoo,
I don't know how it works anywhere else but, here in NC. I am a service advisor at a chevy dealer. It would qualify for lemon law if it were in three times for the same repair with in a year ie..my #2 piston shattered or the case cracked three times in the same place. I am not sure about concern not found. I know in my business we have a tech line/assist to help diagnose problems we can't.We also have called engineers in from the factory to help figure out problems. I'd go to the most competent dealer, then someone in the MOCO if I had too. If still not repaired or a problem found call your states AG's office and file a complaint, they can and usually will get the ball rolling for you.
choochoo,
I don't know how it works anywhere else but, here in NC. I am a service advisor at a chevy dealer. It would qualify for lemon law if it were in three times for the same repair with in a year ie..my #2 piston shattered or the case cracked three times in the same place. I am not sure about concern not found. I know in my business we have a tech line/assist to help diagnose problems we can't.We also have called engineers in from the factory to help figure out problems. I'd go to the most competent dealer, then someone in the MOCO if I had too. If still not repaired or a problem found call your states AG's office and file a complaint, they can and usually will get the ball rolling for you.
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RE: to HDMOCO investor relations POS flhtci
put the stock pipes back on, then tell them to fix it.
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Ye sI believe it was.
But I think my point, we need to get the moco to issue a bulletin
on it that the sumping problem exists, and the what the usual
symptoms are, and issue it to the dealer network.
So the dealer will WILLINGLY look a t that as a possible cause
of a lost power (gutless) problem.
Instead of just automatically blaming a non HDMOCO performance
part installed on the bike, that in many instances the dealer sold
to you as a viable performance up grade.
Don't know yet if sumping is causing my problems, but according to
the dealer they have eliminated everything else except the ECM.
They are blaming the mufflers again but still have not performed any tests
to confirm that. Bike is back in shop again. Maybe this time they will
at least test the sumping theory. If not that, ECM or mufflers then what
else?
[quote]ORIGINAL: TexasRedneck
[quote]
But in this group of forums and others, I am seeing a common thread on numerous items
that todate HDMOCO is refusing to address.
air temp gauges, oil sumping, gutless on highway, etc.
And if we as individuals don't keep pressure on HD and dealer network to get these fixed,
they will never do it willingly.
they will think everything is just fine and dandy and hunky dory out here in the real world if we don't file our complaints and be as vociferous about it as possible.
Wahl now...mebbe ah'm jest dense - but didn't someone say that the sumpin' wuz found by HD an' repaired under warranty?
One thang ta remember when complainin' - a reasonable, rationale complaint will generally get attention. One that degrades and screams is likely to be ignored as someone that is simply not worth the hassle.
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We already did that.
Before they picked the bike up we put it back to stock.
After all the cosmetic repairs are done we are going to
meet with the dealer. Either ride it that way and see
what happens or dyno it. Or maybe put a/c back on.
Don't know yet waiting on the hdmoco tech to decide.
But my one point is this.
The bike ran great 1st 6 - 7 months with this config
then went to crap.
1st dealer blamed pipes he sold me, but r&r the injectors
and apparently never tested the mufflers.
2nd dealer blamed mufflers and insisted I needed HD race
tuner to correct the problem as stage 1 d/l does not have a map
for them (but remember ran great this way for 6 - 7 months).
When the R/T didn't fix it. dealer again blamed mufflers.
But did a warranty re-ring on motor and never tested the mufflers.
Now they are blaming the mufflers again.
If they are so sure it was and is the mufflers then 2 things.
why sell them to me in the first place
and why have they NEVER tested them (remove and try different ones)
on my bike to prove or disprove the theory???????
Before they picked the bike up we put it back to stock.
After all the cosmetic repairs are done we are going to
meet with the dealer. Either ride it that way and see
what happens or dyno it. Or maybe put a/c back on.
Don't know yet waiting on the hdmoco tech to decide.
But my one point is this.
The bike ran great 1st 6 - 7 months with this config
then went to crap.
1st dealer blamed pipes he sold me, but r&r the injectors
and apparently never tested the mufflers.
2nd dealer blamed mufflers and insisted I needed HD race
tuner to correct the problem as stage 1 d/l does not have a map
for them (but remember ran great this way for 6 - 7 months).
When the R/T didn't fix it. dealer again blamed mufflers.
But did a warranty re-ring on motor and never tested the mufflers.
Now they are blaming the mufflers again.
If they are so sure it was and is the mufflers then 2 things.
why sell them to me in the first place
and why have they NEVER tested them (remove and try different ones)
on my bike to prove or disprove the theory???????
ORIGINAL: rmarion
put the stock pipes back on, then tell them to fix it.
put the stock pipes back on, then tell them to fix it.