loud Tick, NOT lifters.....What else?
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To wrap things up
Here is the results and the root cause.....
The engine was rebuilt with a 103 stage 4 kit, new valve springs, 10.5:1 compression pistons, SE259E cams, compression releases, some head work, SE compensator, Clutch spring, something about stetching the heads (must be in the cylinder/head gaskets?)
Anyway, when he started it, he knew something was still wrong with the rear cylinder. He had the heads checked for cracks, no intake leaks, he had to look further. It turns out the rear fuel injector was only getting 50% of the voltage it was suppose to. After talking with Harley on the phone to see if there is any way to adjust it, Not the pulse width, but the actual voltage, Harley said the ECM was no good.
Of course, not only were they on National backorder, but if you do get one, it has to be brought to the dealership to be "married" to the bike with your VIN code in it. We found one dealership 50 miles away that had 1. I went and picked it up myself and brought it to the closest dealer to him where he brought the bike down as well. Once that was set I had to buy a new SE pro race tuner, could not use the one I had on the new ECM no matter how hard he tried. He installed the program, tuned it and off I went.
Got the bike back the day before my vacation, put over 700 miles on it and love it. Because I had only the 3.5" Rineharts on it, he had to cut almost all the baffle out of it for it to breath, so this sucker is Loud. Think i'm going to have to go with new larger mufflers soon.
All set for another 40,000.
The engine was rebuilt with a 103 stage 4 kit, new valve springs, 10.5:1 compression pistons, SE259E cams, compression releases, some head work, SE compensator, Clutch spring, something about stetching the heads (must be in the cylinder/head gaskets?)
Anyway, when he started it, he knew something was still wrong with the rear cylinder. He had the heads checked for cracks, no intake leaks, he had to look further. It turns out the rear fuel injector was only getting 50% of the voltage it was suppose to. After talking with Harley on the phone to see if there is any way to adjust it, Not the pulse width, but the actual voltage, Harley said the ECM was no good.
Of course, not only were they on National backorder, but if you do get one, it has to be brought to the dealership to be "married" to the bike with your VIN code in it. We found one dealership 50 miles away that had 1. I went and picked it up myself and brought it to the closest dealer to him where he brought the bike down as well. Once that was set I had to buy a new SE pro race tuner, could not use the one I had on the new ECM no matter how hard he tried. He installed the program, tuned it and off I went.
Got the bike back the day before my vacation, put over 700 miles on it and love it. Because I had only the 3.5" Rineharts on it, he had to cut almost all the baffle out of it for it to breath, so this sucker is Loud. Think i'm going to have to go with new larger mufflers soon.
All set for another 40,000.
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Here is the results and the root cause.....
The engine was rebuilt with a 103 stage 4 kit, new valve springs, 10.5:1 compression pistons, SE259E cams, compression releases, some head work, SE compensator, Clutch spring, something about stetching the heads (must be in the cylinder/head gaskets?)
Anyway, when he started it, he knew something was still wrong with the rear cylinder. He had the heads checked for cracks, no intake leaks, he had to look further. It turns out the rear fuel injector was only getting 50% of the voltage it was suppose to. After talking with Harley on the phone to see if there is any way to adjust it, Not the pulse width, but the actual voltage, Harley said the ECM was no good.
Of course, not only were they on National backorder, but if you do get one, it has to be brought to the dealership to be "married" to the bike with your VIN code in it. We found one dealership 50 miles away that had 1. I went and picked it up myself and brought it to the closest dealer to him where he brought the bike down as well. Once that was set I had to buy a new SE pro race tuner, could not use the one I had on the new ECM no matter how hard he tried. He installed the program, tuned it and off I went.
Got the bike back the day before my vacation, put over 700 miles on it and love it. Because I had only the 3.5" Rineharts on it, he had to cut almost all the baffle out of it for it to breath, so this sucker is Loud. Think i'm going to have to go with new larger mufflers soon.
All set for another 40,000.
The engine was rebuilt with a 103 stage 4 kit, new valve springs, 10.5:1 compression pistons, SE259E cams, compression releases, some head work, SE compensator, Clutch spring, something about stetching the heads (must be in the cylinder/head gaskets?)
Anyway, when he started it, he knew something was still wrong with the rear cylinder. He had the heads checked for cracks, no intake leaks, he had to look further. It turns out the rear fuel injector was only getting 50% of the voltage it was suppose to. After talking with Harley on the phone to see if there is any way to adjust it, Not the pulse width, but the actual voltage, Harley said the ECM was no good.
Of course, not only were they on National backorder, but if you do get one, it has to be brought to the dealership to be "married" to the bike with your VIN code in it. We found one dealership 50 miles away that had 1. I went and picked it up myself and brought it to the closest dealer to him where he brought the bike down as well. Once that was set I had to buy a new SE pro race tuner, could not use the one I had on the new ECM no matter how hard he tried. He installed the program, tuned it and off I went.
Got the bike back the day before my vacation, put over 700 miles on it and love it. Because I had only the 3.5" Rineharts on it, he had to cut almost all the baffle out of it for it to breath, so this sucker is Loud. Think i'm going to have to go with new larger mufflers soon.
All set for another 40,000.
On a side note, I just put a new/perfect pair of 4" rineharts with chrome tips in the touring classifieds...
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So was there actually anything mechanical wrong with the motor or was it just one cylinder running a lot weaker and making a fuss? You sure come up with a good problem. Silliness like this makes you wish they still had points?! HA
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So to answer your question, it started out as an electrical problem, but did cause damage to the cylinder. The oil was so hot in that cylinder it was coking in the piston ring grooves.
Why the rear cylinder wasn't shutting down at idle is another mystery, I swore I had it activated. It really wouldn't have mattered much, it was while It was requiring more fuel while I was riding that it was at it's leanest.
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Here is the results and the root cause.....
The engine was rebuilt with a 103 stage 4 kit, new valve springs, 10.5:1 compression pistons, SE259E cams, compression releases, some head work, SE compensator, Clutch spring, something about stetching the heads (must be in the cylinder/head gaskets?)
Anyway, when he started it, he knew something was still wrong with the rear cylinder. He had the heads checked for cracks, no intake leaks, he had to look further. It turns out the rear fuel injector was only getting 50% of the voltage it was suppose to. After talking with Harley on the phone to see if there is any way to adjust it, Not the pulse width, but the actual voltage, Harley said the ECM was no good.
Of course, not only were they on National backorder, but if you do get one, it has to be brought to the dealership to be "married" to the bike with your VIN code in it. We found one dealership 50 miles away that had 1. I went and picked it up myself and brought it to the closest dealer to him where he brought the bike down as well. Once that was set I had to buy a new SE pro race tuner, could not use the one I had on the new ECM no matter how hard he tried. He installed the program, tuned it and off I went.
Got the bike back the day before my vacation, put over 700 miles on it and love it. Because I had only the 3.5" Rineharts on it, he had to cut almost all the baffle out of it for it to breath, so this sucker is Loud. Think i'm going to have to go with new larger mufflers soon.
All set for another 40,000.
The engine was rebuilt with a 103 stage 4 kit, new valve springs, 10.5:1 compression pistons, SE259E cams, compression releases, some head work, SE compensator, Clutch spring, something about stetching the heads (must be in the cylinder/head gaskets?)
Anyway, when he started it, he knew something was still wrong with the rear cylinder. He had the heads checked for cracks, no intake leaks, he had to look further. It turns out the rear fuel injector was only getting 50% of the voltage it was suppose to. After talking with Harley on the phone to see if there is any way to adjust it, Not the pulse width, but the actual voltage, Harley said the ECM was no good.
Of course, not only were they on National backorder, but if you do get one, it has to be brought to the dealership to be "married" to the bike with your VIN code in it. We found one dealership 50 miles away that had 1. I went and picked it up myself and brought it to the closest dealer to him where he brought the bike down as well. Once that was set I had to buy a new SE pro race tuner, could not use the one I had on the new ECM no matter how hard he tried. He installed the program, tuned it and off I went.
Got the bike back the day before my vacation, put over 700 miles on it and love it. Because I had only the 3.5" Rineharts on it, he had to cut almost all the baffle out of it for it to breath, so this sucker is Loud. Think i'm going to have to go with new larger mufflers soon.
All set for another 40,000.
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My 09 Ultra 96" motor, stock cams, began making a loud ticking noise, then would go away. After this happening a few times, sometimes after riding 5 minutes and lasting 20 miles, sometimes after riding 100 miles and lasting 3 miles, I finally decided to replace the lifters and pushrods. The very next day the noise was back after about 70 miles. It comes and goes and sounds just like a lifter tick, but LOUD. It's embarrassing when the bike next to you with their radio on can hear it. Anyway, it seems to be worse on deceleration, happens whether the clutch is in or not, follows the engine rpm's when reved up in neutral or the clutch pulled. The oil pressure gauge stays steady at 32 whether it makes the noise or not. I'm thinking it has to be something adjustable hydraulically to be able to come and go like it does. Anyone experience this noise? Should I be looking at primary tensioner? Cam tensioner? Do they make this type of noise when worn? I've tried to pinpoint where exactly it is coming from, even using the screwdriver to the ear method, but can not tell which side it is coming from. Any experience in this would be a big help. Thanks!
I'm not going to read through all the suggestions so if this has been mentioned, sorry! Check the upper motor stabilizer link right where it bolts to the frame. Sometimes that hole is filled with powder coat and although with a wrench, it feels tight, its not pulling the link tight against the frame. When this happens again, take and push hard on that link and see if he tick changes or goes away or if you feel it moving. Just a hunch! lol If that turns out to be it, you need to remove that bolt and tap the hole clean.
OK Scratch that! I guess I should have read the entire thread after all. Glad you found the issue!
Last edited by Rickr01; Aug 27, 2013 at 03:36 PM.
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OH On another one
I think I have the same problem ticking use to be after 100 miles in hot weather but now after 20 miles any time of the year, Ticking comes and go's but mostly on decal. The HD shop knows it there and have disassembled the whole motor to find nothing except wore cam chain tensioners, ythey are at a loss. Dealer changed the Cams, Camplate, Chains, Lifters Pushrods, and oil pump. They did not like the oil pressure. 10 to 40 pounds. after the change oil pressure is the same and the Tick is still there.
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08 Ultra Same Issue
I have an 08 ultra classic 67000 miles, well maintained, that's doing exactly the same thing, I couldn't have described the condition any better. Now what? Is this dangerous or just a nuisance. Had dealer replace compensatory before I read this thread and they also check other areas. Harley says not a problem. I hate to spend a lot of money just to stop a sound if it's not dangerous.
Last edited by PawNature; Jun 15, 2015 at 10:37 PM.