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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMurf
FYI I did some checking, the 014 Ultra does have a C.B. with six presets Bluetooth is an option =

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...ic.html#!specs
I worl at a dealer here in Florida and the Ultra and Tri Glide do not have a CB, You have to get the module and antenna separately. The bike is pre-wired with the cable for the antenna.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFleeg
Is there really that much reason for concern? Besides the infotainment aspects, the other stuff is just incremental improvements on last years' model, right? It's not as if this is a whole new frame/engine/etc.
While this is true, sometimes those small incremental changes really do have an impact. Case in point, with my 09:

Move saddlebags back 1/2" = no more rubbing on mommas calfs. (and even more room on the 14s)

Redesigned rider backrest position = finally, the thing is far enough back

In 2014:

Rear speakers 2" further apart: Maybe the passenger will actually HEAR them now, instead of just feeling them.

More rear seat room front to back, and extra width. And it LOOKS like the trunk backrest is taller. Momma will love that, and without the trunk looking like a big turd on the back of the bike to boot, and oh, 20 percent more space inside. We all know that sometimes being able to pack just ONE more pair of levis or an extra jacket for a trip would be awesome.

And so forth.

The SMALL refinements, while not earth shaking, really CAN make a diff. Stupid as it sounds, Im really stoked about the ipod compartment in the fairing. Nor more clipping it onto the bars, on a tank bag, or the $400 ipod interface to put it in a saddlebag. I for one could care less about the loss of the CD/MP# drive. While Im great with the idea of MP3 disks, the fact that I have so much music I have purchased from Apple that needs to be converted to MP3 before burning a disk, makes me happy as hell. Just throw it on the ipod/iphone and good to roll. Open the compartment, put it in, good to go and out of the weather. And if the fairing vent helps with the buffeting that we all gripe about? SWEET.

So yea, small changes, but they DO add up to a better bike.
 

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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by psuchit
Stiffer front forks, linked braking, better wind management, larger storage, better audio & integrated system, newer cams (closer to SE255), brighter lights, seems like a list worthy of upgrade.
^^^This^^^ plus resale value down the road is why you want a '14.

I saw some today. They are that much better. The bags and tour pak are awesome. Plus the new dash and controls look really nice. Good stuff.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bent trix
I say "do it". The fairing is one of the best improvements they made. I guarantee it will eliminate buffeting, directing the airflow up and over the rider. BMW and Goldwing have been using it for years. Not only that it looks cool burrowed into the fairing.
I'm always weighing form vs function...I still really don't like the vent but yes,you are correct.Here's some helpful information for anyone who's wondering...

"Nearly all of our windshields have vents. These vents are part of the aerodynamic design of the shield, to reduce turbulence and noise. They are not there to make a flow of air on the rider. When you're riding on the highway, any windshield is pushing air away from the rider. This leaves a low-pressure pocket between the windshield and the rider. Some riders feel this low-pressure area as a push on their shoulders, "back pressure." The air flowing past the windshield wants to drop into this low pressure area. If the outside air is allowed to spill into the area between the windshield and the rider, the result is turbulence, noise, and drafts. When outside air spills into the rider area, it almost always falls in a curved path, causing spinning vortices of air. These vortices are noisy and can cause the battering and hammering on your helmet reported by some riders. Our windshields and vents are designed to funnel air into the rider region to relieve this low pressure area and greatly reduce the tendency of outside air to spill in. The vents are designed so that the air coming through them is quickly dispersed, leaving almost no detectable air flow at the rider. Our goal is to produce almost completely still air on the rider with no back pressure.

Why don't we put louvers on our vents? Air sticks to any surface; immediately at the surface the air is not moving. As you move away from the surface the air speed picks up with distance. The curve of airspeed vs. distance from the surface is called a Poisson curve. As you go to higher and higher speeds the Poisson curves from adjacent surfaces on the louvers move outwards until they touch. When they touch, that's the maximum air flow speed for that gap. Typical 1/2" louvers will choke off air flow to a maximum speed around 40 mph or so; above that speed you need more and more air flow to compensate for the growing vacuum behind the windshield, but the louvers have maxed out. So the louvered vent becomes less and less effective as your speed increases to 80 mph or beyond, and the windshield becomes more noisy and has more turbulence as you pick up speed.

I get a lot of emails, "Can you make me a windshield with a reverse flip to kick the air up over my head?" Yes, I can, but I won't. Air is a spring - there are shock absorbers made with only air as the spring. When you kick a spring, it kicks back. Putting energy into the air like this is exactly the opposite of what we're all about. Windshields with reverse flips and non-fair shapes generate semi-periodic chaotic swirls of turbulent air, called Von Karman vortices, after Theodore Von Karman. These vortices, or pockets of turbulence, grow as they move away from your windshield. If you feel your head being rocked or even slammed side to side or front to back as you ride, this is Von Karman vortices at work. Some manufacturers, to my own astonishment, actually claim to produce these vortices on purpose, apparently with the idea that some turbulence is "good" and will somehow perhaps cancel out the "bad turbulence." We work very hard with the design of the shape of our windshields and the location and size of the vents to eliminate all Von Karman vortices."

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Fairing.html
 
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 09:06 PM
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If I were in the market, I would go 14 over 13 for an air cooled model. No way in h@ll I would go for the H2O bikes.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2014 | 03:02 AM
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I own a 2009 Electra glide classic and have tested the 2013s. I test rode the 2014 Ultra Limited. Big difference in ride due to beefier front suspension with reworked front fork valving. It floated over expansion joints the old suspension couldn't hide yet had very precise handling. In fact the whole riding experience compared to the 2013 (and the Indian Chieftan) was one of refined smoothness of all operations. The noticeable suspension smoothness alone makes it much better, add the improved resistance to overheating (if you get the Limited), improved wind protection and airflow, the hotter stock cams, along with the other improvements AND the better resale value, go with the 2014!
 

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Old Mar 7, 2014 | 05:17 AM
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I'd go with the 14 for So many reasons.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2014 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Iron_Horseman_Calgary
I own a 2009 Electra glide classic and have tested the 2013s. I test rode the 2014 Ultra Limited. Big difference in ride due to beefier front suspension with reworked front fork valving. It floated over expansion joints the old suspension couldn't hide yet had very precise handling. In fact the whole riding experience compared to the 2013 (and the Indian Chieftan) was one of refined smoothness of all operations. The noticeable suspension smoothness alone makes it much better, add the improved resistance to overheating (if you get the Limited), improved wind protection and airflow, the hotter stock cams, along with the other improvements AND the better resale value, go with the 2014!
Nice. A thread raised from the dead. Might as well wait on 15's at this point.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2014 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ultraclassic53
Are the rest of the upgrades on the 14's that big of a deal ?? am I missing something ?
Yes and yes.

Go ride one. Decide for yourself....


Originally Posted by stro1965
I'm intrigued by the sound system, other than that, nope.
Go ride one.

Just sayin'

Originally Posted by titusda
Also keep in mind that when you own a first model year vehicle your the guinea pig and your bike could spend a lot of time getting warranty maintenance to get what the engineers missed when they designed it fixed.
I purchased one of the first ones in August. Had the recall, which took a couple of hours because I had 2, 2014 touring bikes.

Other than that, I haven't been in for a warranty issue.

I guess I need your definition of "a lot of time"

Originally Posted by sp9997
Stiffer front forks, linked braking, better wind management, larger storage, better audio & integrated system, newer cams (closer to SE255), brighter lights, seems like a list worthy of upgrade.
Originally Posted by bmaier
didn't it get the hydraulic clutch 2 or is that just the limited
Yes and Yes.


Originally Posted by sp9997
Yes all touring models have hydraulic clutch.

Incorrect, Sir. The Road Kings are still on a cable clutch.


Originally Posted by Mike
There were more changes in the 09 model year, and those bikes turned out just fine. I'm not buying the "first year trouble" arguments. However, I still couldn't afford one without taking out a loan, so I'll have to save my pennies for a while longer, I guess.

And if anyone was paying attention, the 2009 change sparked over 300,000 recalls through M/Y 2011.

The 2014 has had, 25-28,000 I believe is what I've read.

No CD player? A downfall? Really?
Because of this I went and bought an iPod. By plugging it in to the USB in the Juke Box, I can control the iPod, search for songs, artists, albums or genres with the infotainment.
I have over 1,400 songs on my iPod... no more getting tired of the same CD or stopping constantly to change CD's.
This is 2014, the CD is going the way of the 8 track.

Guess what? my 2014 RAM 1500 4x4 CC doesn't have a CD player either... but my iPod plugs in the console....


The big green monster is alive and well in this thread.

I would invite all of the naysayers to take a ride down to the dealership and try one for yourself.

Out of the box better handling, more comfort (especially for Momma), better sound system, MORE ENGINE POWER.....
...and when you figure the upgrade dollars versus what you get, IMHO, the 2014 is a bargain.

To anyone that is thinking they might want one, and can afford it...

BUy THE 2014!
 
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Old Mar 7, 2014 | 03:15 PM
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IMO, the 2013 resembles a sedan on two wheels. The 2014 resembles a sedan on two wheels that t-boned a mailbox. Both look like they sterilize the experience of riding a motorcycle and seem equally depressing. Thankfully, I have not grown old enough to have to ride either one yet.
 
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