Yes I have all the major stock tunes. They are in PV format from installs I have done. All the touring 2010 to 2013 use the same map. Have some for Dyna and Softtail also. Once you get a database of maps built up it isn't hard. I do have the calibration pdf for SEPST and TTS. Also built an Excel spread sheet that will convert PV or SEPST maps to PCV. You can copy and paste from PV to SEPST as they use the same table values as long as the strategy is the same. I always make sure I have the right strategy to start with. That makes life simpler. Also have a spreadsheet that has all the popular cams listed with specs and comparator. I even have the stock harley cam specs. Took lots of research and time to do these. I don't worry too much with the AFR tables Lambda or Stoich. Tuning is done in the VE's and Spark advance tables. As far as the difference between the 9 and 44 I have no idea. I will say that both these maps referenced above have excellent timing tables in them. As much as 8 degrees more timing off idle. That is very significant. Am running a table similar to this timing table on all my maps. The only one that gives trouble with pinging is the SE255 in 110's. I am retired and enjoy doing these things.

I have been tuning automotive drag engines for 30 plus years. Everything from 3 hemi Super stockers, 1 injected 392 Hemi B altered, 1 injected Fuel front motor dragster (didn't last long as that thing was dangerous) 2 Ford stockers one 351C and one with 200 inch 6 cylinder that held 7 national records, several ET Bracket Mopars with 440's and hemi's and several Ford 302, 351C Jack Roush built B Econo Altered. I built a few Chevy 350's, and 383's. If you were a ford or mopar person the chevy boys didn't have much to say to you. All of these were either carburated or Mechanical Hilborn injectors. Some of these had 800 lift cams and turned 8000 rpms, one even ran 9000 rpms (the Jack Roush Cleveland). I didn't own all these just worked on them with friends. I did own 2 drag cars and had a ball. I spent many hours at the Drag Strips listening more than I talked. First time I wrote all this down, wow have touched or should I say been touched by some marvelous machines.

Once I got into bikes (2010 bought FLHTK) the electronics end and cams intrigued me, so here I am. You learn to recognize when certain conditions exist. These are all street engines operating in the less than 6000 rpms on the bikes. They are all air pumps that you put fuel and air in and ignite it. When and what ratios is the question.

Contrary to someone elses belief the 10% is in the VE table. It won't eventually change back. I have been making maps for about 3 years and have done around 15 with PCV's and 20 plus with PV. and 4 with SEPST and one SERT. All either stage 1 or cams from SE255, SE203, SE204, SE259e, to TW222, TW555, TW777, TW888 to Andrews 55, t-man 555, Probably some I have forgotten. Also several with Stage 4's with 10.5:1 compression. Higher than that and you need a dyno. Have done exhaust from the 2-1-2, power duals, true duals, several 2-1's. These were in everything from Dyna's, Softtails, Two trikes, and bunch of Touring SG's, Ultras and Road Glides, FLHTK's and 3 CVO's. Right now am batting a 1000. Not the first time everytime, but you get 3 strikes. I don't charge for it and if you don't like it we will undo it. That hasn't really happened yet. Not claiming dyno results by any means. I spend a lot of time at local Harley dealer (no Dyno) and the main mechanic will tell me when he needs a map for a certain application. I create it and he will install it if I am not around. He also has a very good sense of tune and will test ride. If everything isn't right we correct it before it leaves. And that is my story and I am sticking to it.

 

sorry 1canuck didnt see you mentioned the VE tables were different.Well i bought this bike used and it was not dyno tuned so dealer put some kind of map on and i am sure it was not smart tuned.cant tell whats on there now as the super tuner that came with the bike has no cables so i have the software just waiting for the cables and then i can see what map is on there and i will go from there.This super tuner is new to me so just doing some reading up on it and will see whats maps on there and try to so a smart tune after a bit more reading.Was just surprised that since its all screaming eagle parts except the 2 into 1 pipe i figured i would see a map for 1580 and the 254e cams.now i am curious to see what the dealer put on there weather its a 044 or 009 map.Bike runs ok just wanting to see if i am getting the most i can out of it.thanks for the help as you guys seem to know your stuff

 

I started tuning with the PCV on a 2010 Triglide with tman 555 newly installed. Couldn't get a good map for it since he didn't buy from FM. So he asked if I would help. As you may know the PCV without autotune doesn't use the AFR's because you have to unhook the O2's and you change the amount of fuel and spark to add and take away by rpms and throttle position. Quite simple and it worked. The Autotune module has the broadband O2's and will do a good job of tuning. The narrow bands will tune some on the PV but you can't really use it in designing a map. You can change a PV AFR with narrow band O2's and make it go out of closed loop or just turn it off and the only difference you may notice is it may run cooler and get worse gas mileage.
Don't know much about the years ago tuning only been doing for 3 years. Never seen a dyno.

 

I made an error when I said the 9 was for 2010 to 2013. The 9 was only used on the 2010 and they changed to 44 in 2011 including the CVO's. The 9 will work on them. I put my 9 data in a 44 strategy map for a 2012 FLHTK and installed it in my 2010 FLHTK and it works even better than the 9. I have experienced this more than once mostly on the CVO's. Still don't know the difference, but if it ain't broke I am not going to try and fix it.

 

The 044 certainly feels better than the 009 and yet there is nothing (except the VE) that is visibly different

 

There is something else going on. I put the exact timing and VE tables in both and tried them and the 44 is smoother and seems to get better mileage. Even same AFR table. I have been wondering for over a year why my 2 son in laws bikes 2012 FLHTK and 2013 Road Glide Ultra ran smoother stock than my 2010 FLHTK. That is the difference the 44 strategy. At least that is my story and I am going to stick to it. They have both modified them and can't try the stock maps anymore.