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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 07:50 AM
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An oil cooler with a fan might help, but it is still simpler to just switch off! OP's problem is something that happens to most of us vary seldom, so isn't something worth planning a work-around for.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by VTL nut
Are the factory oil coolers on the 103's set up in a bypass configuration or do they route all of the oil through them. If full duty, they will make a difference under normal driving conditions. It will help keep the temp down so long was air is moving through them.
Properly designed motorcycle oil filters will bypass (not filter) cold thick oil...or if the filter gets to dirty much of the oil will be routed through the bypass chamber. This design is nothing new and is meant to protect the engine. Unfiltered oil is better than no oil or not enough oil being delivered to critical parts.

Oil coolers usually utilize thermostats to regulate the flow of oil to the cooler. Jason Ward sells a thermostat that will allow an increased flow of oil to the cooler to slow down the process of oil heating. He has a model for the HD stock cooler and the Jagg units (I believe).
 
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 08:28 AM
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When I see these post about riders who worry that their air cooled Harleys are somehow at risk for melting down during normal everyday riding I always think about the myriad of cops out there that let their bikes sit idling under overpasses all day long waiting for some unsuspecting motorist to come screaming by, begging for a ticket.
They don't seem to be breaking down and they are abused way more than the average bike. If you ever wanted to see some abuse you should watch the Utube videos of the MOCO testing bikes out on the Arizona dessert test track where they ride them at 80-90 mph for 4 hours and then gas them up and let them sit idling out in the direct sun for another 4 hours. They try to kill those bikes and they still keep running.
So, how do you know when your air cooled engine is "too" hot? When it starts to ping uncontrollably and smoke starts coming off the fins, then that is when you either get it moving or pull it over.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by texaswiz
When I see these post about riders who worry that their air cooled Harleys are somehow at risk for melting down during normal everyday riding I always think about the myriad of cops out there that let their bikes sit idling under overpasses all day long waiting for some unsuspecting motorist to come screaming by, begging for a ticket.
They don't seem to be breaking down and they are abused way more than the average bike. If you ever wanted to see some abuse you should watch the Utube videos of the MOCO testing bikes out on the Arizona dessert test track where they ride them at 80-90 mph for 4 hours and then gas them up and let them sit idling out in the direct sun for another 4 hours. They try to kill those bikes and they still keep running.
So, how do you know when your air cooled engine is "too" hot? When it starts to ping uncontrollably and smoke starts coming off the fins, then that is when you either get it moving or pull it over.
True. Folks seem to really obsess over the heat they feel on an air cooled engine. Other bikes I have owned, with liquid cooling, continue to exhibit heat to the rider to various degrees. A lot of the heat is coming from the 1200 degree exhaust gases, with some from the engine. Bike design, or more specifically air flow and heat deflection/insulation design, is key to rider comfort on any bike...regardless of the method of cooling.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 10:27 AM
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Well most of the votes are don't do anything but turn your bike off. The predictment I was in didn't allow that, emergency vehicle were screaming down the both pull off lanes so I couldn't pull over in there and you would stop for 2 minutes and then creep 200 ft at 3 mph which kept the heat management system from kicking in. So I guess I should carry a CO2 fire extinguisher with me to cool her off. Or buy a 2014 liquid cool.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd Who
Well most of the votes are don't do anything but turn your bike off. The predictment I was in didn't allow that, emergency vehicle were screaming down the both pull off lanes so I couldn't pull over in there and you would stop for 2 minutes and then creep 200 ft at 3 mph which kept the heat management system from kicking in. So I guess I should carry a CO2 fire extinguisher with me to cool her off. Or buy a 2014 liquid cool.
My fans are a little different from traditional parade fans. The FCS provides full time cooling, even at highway speed, to lower the average engine temp and oil temp. The FCS will drop oil temp as much if not more than the typical oil cooler. While its true you bike can idle all day in the desert and not "melt down", that doesn't mean there is no benefit to influencing more favorable operating conditions like lower temperature. If you are running conventional oil, make an effort to keep it below 250F, useful life decreases by about half for every 10 degrees above that. If you want to cool your oil its not foolish, pointless, or a waste of time, as some believe. I suggest you do your own oil research somewhere more productive like at BITOG.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by texaswiz
When I see these post about riders who worry that their air cooled Harleys are somehow at risk for melting down during normal everyday riding I always think about the myriad of cops out there that let their bikes sit idling under overpasses all day long waiting for some unsuspecting motorist to come screaming by, begging for a ticket.
They don't seem to be breaking down and they are abused way more than the average bike. If you ever wanted to see some abuse you should watch the Utube videos of the MOCO testing bikes out on the Arizona dessert test track where they ride them at 80-90 mph for 4 hours and then gas them up and let them sit idling out in the direct sun for another 4 hours. They try to kill those bikes and they still keep running.
So, how do you know when your air cooled engine is "too" hot? When it starts to ping uncontrollably and smoke starts coming off the fins, then that is when you either get it moving or pull it over.
Absolutely. Lots of people make lots of money preying on Harley owners who worry unnecessarily about how hot their air-cooled bike gets. You will not do a bit of damage idling in traffic for an hour.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by texaswiz
When I see these post about riders who worry that their air cooled Harleys are somehow at risk for melting down during normal everyday riding I always think about the myriad of cops out there that let their bikes sit idling under overpasses all day long waiting for some unsuspecting motorist to come screaming by, begging for a ticket.
They don't seem to be breaking down and they are abused way more than the average bike. If you ever wanted to see some abuse you should watch the Utube videos of the MOCO testing bikes out on the Arizona dessert test track where they ride them at 80-90 mph for 4 hours and then gas them up and let them sit idling out in the direct sun for another 4 hours. They try to kill those bikes and they still keep running.
So, how do you know when your air cooled engine is "too" hot? When it starts to ping uncontrollably and smoke starts coming off the fins, then that is when you either get it moving or pull it over.
Well I don't know what the service intervals are like for those desert cop bikes or the average expected service life. I'm fine with YOU waiting for smoke and pinging but I'm going to try and mitigate the risks up front. Good oil. Oil cooler. Engine cooling fans (FCS in my case). I see some crazy video's on YouTube that I wouldn't attempt to try or validate. YMMV

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thats why they make a shoulder on the freeway, so you can ride on it when the cages are stuck in traffic. i never sit anymore, if the exit is in front of me, i ride the shoulder. i would rather get a citation vs sitting.
 
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Originally Posted by WARDSPARTSWERKS
My fans are a little different from traditional parade fans. The FCS provides full time cooling, even at highway speed, to lower the average engine temp and oil temp. The FCS will drop oil temp as much if not more than the typical oil cooler. While its true you bike can idle all day in the desert and not "melt down", that doesn't mean there is no benefit to influencing more favorable operating conditions like lower temperature. If you are running conventional oil, make an effort to keep it below 250F, useful life decreases by about half for every 10 degrees above that. If you want to cool your oil its not foolish, pointless, or a waste of time, as some believe. I suggest you do your own oil research somewhere more productive like at BITOG.
I have to ask where the heat that is being blown off the motor goes? From the pictures shown here it looks like its blown right on the riders thigh. I would rather the motor be hot then my leg. And where did you come up with 250 degrees being deadly for conventional oil? Most conventional oil have flashpoints over 360 degrees.
 
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