Problems with dealer cam install
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Looking back at your OP, the add ons you did prior to having the dealer install the cams would've netted you around the same numbers as what your dyno shows. Betcha a dollar to a donut they never installed the 222's in your bike.
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Good luck getting a resolution
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Following this thread hoping to determine what my SE tuner is. Black w/red button, red indicator when power or other factor makes is blink and two ports, one serial (like monitor connection) and another port like I've never seen before, not USB like the normal USB ports. SE Performance Parts script in orange on device. Had a 96 to 103 upgrade done in January of 09 on a 08 Ultra. 255s cams and its a dog. Bike has sidecar so a dyno was not an option without removing car and it was a unit when conversion was done. I have a feeling all I got was a Stage II download. I still own the unit but have a 09 TriGlide also w/Fueling 525s and the Tri will eat the hack unit for breakfast. I know I got taken but it's too late to cry over sour milk just looking for options even if it means removing car from unit. What tuner do I got so I can make the unit a better performer, just dyno or look in another direction???
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Looking at the dyno sheet I wouldn't be surprised at all if they got them off a tooth or two. 222s shouldn't have anywhere near that narrow a power band. Even the stock cams do better.
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4th Gear
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Yeah, that's what I have been thinking... It seems to explain of of the problems. Tech said he had to do like 6 pulls on the dyno just to get it to that point. I'm going to go back tomorrow and talk with them, someone else on here also suggested clutch slippage, I did have a new compensator put in at the same time so it deft could be a possibility. If I don't hear what I want tomorrow I'm taking it elsewhere.
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I am real sure it isn't a SERT as they didn't have a button on them. Ask the dyno man what the file extension on the map is. If it is a dt0 That is a number zero on the end it is a SEPST. A TTS would be MT8, SERT would be a MT6. Not sure what the street tuner extension is.
If this is a 103 it may very well have had a 255 in it and if it did the timing is retarded very bad on these. Not sure about the cam but pretty sure it is 103.
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Yeah, that's what I have been thinking... It seems to explain of of the problems. Tech said he had to do like 6 pulls on the dyno just to get it to that point. I'm going to go back tomorrow and talk with them, someone else on here also suggested clutch slippage, I did have a new compensator put in at the same time so it deft could be a possibility. If I don't hear what I want tomorrow I'm taking it elsewhere.
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4th Gear
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I think your bike is a 103. If it is make sure they know that. What they are probably doing is checking for sumping. That is were the o ring between the oil pump and motor is leaking. This can cause problems like this. If they set the program for 96 and its a 103 that can make some difference too. I can send you a map if you have someway to get it put on. You will have to send me your email in a PM. The SEPST maps are too large to send in forum. You should be in the mid 90's on hp atleast and 110 plus on the torque with what you have.
I am real sure it isn't a SERT as they didn't have a button on them. Ask the dyno man what the file extension on the map is. If it is a dt0 That is a number zero on the end it is a SEPST. A TTS would be MT8, SERT would be a MT6. Not sure what the street tuner extension is.
If this is a 103 it may very well have had a 255 in it and if it did the timing is retarded very bad on these. Not sure about the cam but pretty sure it is 103.
I am real sure it isn't a SERT as they didn't have a button on them. Ask the dyno man what the file extension on the map is. If it is a dt0 That is a number zero on the end it is a SEPST. A TTS would be MT8, SERT would be a MT6. Not sure what the street tuner extension is.
If this is a 103 it may very well have had a 255 in it and if it did the timing is retarded very bad on these. Not sure about the cam but pretty sure it is 103.
Yes, It is a 103"... I will mention this to the dealer tomorrow. And it's funny you said jokingly about auto-tuning but that was actually mentioned to me, that they don't really tune these because they have a closed loop ECM and they will "tune themselves" after a new map is put on, this was told to me by the warranty mgr so I kinda ignored his comment and hoped the tuner would actually.. You know.. Tune! I know the ECM will make adjustments but only very minor changes. I think it's going to go to another shop if only to help me sleep better at night. Oh and no afr map on graph
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Road Warrior
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Yes, It is a 103"... I will mention this to the dealer tomorrow. And it's funny you said jokingly about auto-tuning but that was actually mentioned to me, that they don't really tune these because they have a closed loop ECM and they will "tune themselves" after a new map is put on, this was told to me by the warranty mgr so I kinda ignored his comment and hoped the tuner would actually.. You know.. Tune! I know the ECM will make adjustments but only very minor changes. I think it's going to go to another shop if only to help me sleep better at night. Oh and no afr map on graph
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4th Gear
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Run man run! I would pay for the cam install and comp. but I doubt very seriously they would have enough nerve to charge you for a dynotune. Yeah right! If you want to get some cables and put the software on your computer I can send you a map and will promise you it will work. I can also walk you through the install. All you have to do is find the directory and put the file in it and open the software update it and open the map and hook up to the VCI and bike, turn on both ignition and run switches. The bars will come off the flash icon at the top once it logs onto the bike. It will tell you to update the VCI which it will do from the pc. Once done click on Program ECM and follow the directions. I like to remove the adaptive learning trims before. It is a check box below the program button. It won't let you screw up. The cables are only around $40 and the software is on the Harley website if you have the serial number on your VCI. The 2009's have very slow timing maps. You need as much as 10 degrees more timing in certain places. Auto tune/Smart tune will only improve VE tables. I would still make sure it isn't sumping as this can be a problem when installing cams if don't replace o ring or get it out of place.
Last edited by jswayz01; Dec 5, 2013 at 12:38 AM.