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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 04:55 PM
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Hey everybody, looking for a little help from the experts. A friend of mine has a 2009 SE Road Glide Custom. In first and second gear, between 2000 and 2500 rpms it sounds like the primary chain is slapping around. At 2000 rpms you can barely hear it and it gets progressively louder. After 2500 rpms the noise goes away. The bike has the self adjusting chain tensioner and the old style compensating sprocket. Anyone else have or had a similar problem?
 
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 06:16 PM
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How many miles are on it?
 
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 06:26 PM
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Bike has 52,000 miles on it. New 259E cam, new lifters, adj. push rods., high flow oil pump, new rings and valve seals.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 06:41 PM
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Rings and valve seals at 52K sounds a bit excessive. I had a buddy tear one down at 70 plus K and had zip, nahda, zilch for wear on everything he measured. These sleds should run well over 100 without needing anything (other than poorly designed items) replaced.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 08:19 PM
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Rings and valve seals at 52K sounds a bit excessive. I had a buddy tear one down at 70 plus K and had zip, nahda, zilch for wear on everything he measured. These sleds should run well over 100 without needing anything (other than poorly designed items) replaced.
The bike was blowing smoke from the front cylinder since new, one to two quarts of oil every 5000 miles. Dealer kept telling him it was within Harley's tolerances (what a joke).
 
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 10:12 PM
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I would be more suspicious of the compensator than of the chain adjuster. Are there any other symptoms like a loud bang or metallic crack sound when he hits the starter? When cruising at lower rpm, is ther a roughness to the drive line and a rattling noisiness that goes away if he down shifts and runs at a higher rpm? At 52,000 on that compensator, he must have gotten the only good one they made that year.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 10:12 PM
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There is no way to tell for sure what shape the primary chain is in until you pull the cover and check it out. Otherwise it is pure speculation. It is easy enough to pull the cover and look. You could very well have a loose chain because it is pretty common. Sometimes the OEM tightener will be a little slow in taking up slack. There is a procedure many folks use to tighten up a slack chain by putting the bike in 1st gear and launching it fairly hard until you hit say 3000 rpm. then without pulling in the clutch, stand on the rear brake. You might have to do it two or three times but if you have a loose primary chain that will usually ratchet it up to where it is no longer noisy. I am not saying that is what your problem is, but it costs nothing to try if you think the chain is loose.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 11:53 PM
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I have a 2010 FLHTK and it has been doing exactly the same thing for over 20000 miles. Not really any worse. It started doing this before out of warranty and I had them pull the Primary cover and every thing was ok. I have checked the chain and it is tight enough. I think it is the stock compensator. It seems to be little less noisy until it warms up. I have tried the formula, se syn 3, Rotella, and Mobil One and they all sound the same. Mine does clank on occasion when starting it. I have new SE comp for it and will be putting in in next couple of weeks. Hope it fixes it. I have rode several 11 and up bikes and none of them have this noise. Friends 08 Ultra had same sound and he changed compensator and it went away. His old comp looked brand new, but the springs are so weak that I am guessing that is what it was.
 
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I have a 2009 Ultra, inner primary bearing had to be replaced at about 13K, two years ago.
Dealer did it under shop warranty so no cost to me.
Do a search here, I think I had a video attached to the post, got lots of help from the members here!
 
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Old Feb 19, 2014 | 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by texaswiz
There is no way to tell for sure what shape the primary chain is in until you pull the cover and check it out. Otherwise it is pure speculation. It is easy enough to pull the cover and look. You could very well have a loose chain because it is pretty common. Sometimes the OEM tightener will be a little slow in taking up slack. There is a procedure many folks use to tighten up a slack chain by putting the bike in 1st gear and launching it fairly hard until you hit say 3000 rpm. then without pulling in the clutch, stand on the rear brake. You might have to do it two or three times but if you have a loose primary chain that will usually ratchet it up to where it is no longer noisy. I am not saying that is what your problem is, but it costs nothing to try if you think the chain is loose.
I would NOT recommend doing the above, especially the hard braking without pulling in the clutch, unless you want to risk scissoring the flywheels in the engine.
 
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