class action lawsuit against the moco...
Road Warrior
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,953
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From: Houston, TX
I'm guessing there is more to this story than the 3 paragraphs in the article... maybe this guy went to the dealer multiple times (the article seems to say so) in attempts to let HD stand behind their product and make it right..... obviously they didn't or he wouldn't be doing this....
If the guy paid $40,000 for the "best" bike HD makes, or at least the very very top of the line, and it doesn't work right, and they are not fixing, what is he supposed to do??
I'm not judging him.....
If the guy paid $40,000 for the "best" bike HD makes, or at least the very very top of the line, and it doesn't work right, and they are not fixing, what is he supposed to do??
I'm not judging him.....
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 17,548
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From: Oxford, Nc
I sold new Harleys through the 2008 model year. I saw the introduction of the first cast crank bikes (cranks should be forged,) and the incredible crank run out issues, the first of the compensator and inner primary bearing problems and of course the wheel bearing failures when they switched to the cheaper 25mm axle.
My '00 Road Glide was hand built (first Screamin' Eagle,) and demonstrated none of those "new bike issues," (and still doesn't.) I passed 100,000 miles years ago. I'm glad I had the opportunity to see what was coming and held onto what I had. It's a decision from the top for a race to the bottom IMO. All the design improvements in the world mean nothing if you left out the quality for the sake of the dollars way back when.
My '00 Road Glide was hand built (first Screamin' Eagle,) and demonstrated none of those "new bike issues," (and still doesn't.) I passed 100,000 miles years ago. I'm glad I had the opportunity to see what was coming and held onto what I had. It's a decision from the top for a race to the bottom IMO. All the design improvements in the world mean nothing if you left out the quality for the sake of the dollars way back when.
Road Master
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 910
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From: Shaconage
I agree. After buying my 2012 Ultra and joining this forum, I've noticed a certain level of desensitization when our bikes have problems. It's as if we accept a certain amount of poor build quality or poor customer service as part of the brand ownership. I've never experienced this in any other bike or car owner's group. If I bought a brand new $35K Ford truck and it leaked coolant, I would be taking legal action too if Ford MoCo would not or could not fix it. Kudos to this guy for not accepting mediocre Kool-Aid even when everyone else thinks it's great.
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: Nevada
This snivelin' little weasel would have lost his mind had he bought a new Harley in the late 70's or early 80's and had to deal with all of the issues they had in those days....and yet, all of us guys who were riding them back in those days managed to have a damn good time with them.
Harley will likely settle out of court with Mr. Okon. Bad press is isn't good for sales.
Bad press doesn't matter.....every time I wonder how Harley stays in business I just have to read a thread where people think problems should be over looked, quality shouldn't be an issue, and who cares how much it cost.
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Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 642
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From: Bellmawr, New Jersey
What is wrong with demanding that something you paid $25K+ for work as advertised? And when did accepting mediocracy equate to being less a biker??? Its unbelievable what some will accept because it is a name brand.
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 380
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From: New Mexico
Like any other large company...Harley will address issues that affect their bottom line. That would be issues that kill people, potentially kill people or adversely affect THE BRAND.
The MOCO exists to make money. Everything they do, sell, talk about, etc., is to generate income for their shareholders.
It isn't necessarily evil. But it's what they do. If they could double profits in a sustainable (and guaranteed manner) making jell-o cooled, solar motorcycles; they would.
They are changing how they do business to "ride" that brand, "Harley Davidson" into the global market. If that takes off, they'll change some more. They're going to follow the money.
Personally, I hope the MOCO gets backhanded across the mouth if they have been taking the, "take it or leave it, that's normal" route regarding this problem. In this day and age, people expect more and as much as Harley promises getting you to sign, they better deliver.
/rant
The MOCO exists to make money. Everything they do, sell, talk about, etc., is to generate income for their shareholders.
It isn't necessarily evil. But it's what they do. If they could double profits in a sustainable (and guaranteed manner) making jell-o cooled, solar motorcycles; they would.
They are changing how they do business to "ride" that brand, "Harley Davidson" into the global market. If that takes off, they'll change some more. They're going to follow the money.
Personally, I hope the MOCO gets backhanded across the mouth if they have been taking the, "take it or leave it, that's normal" route regarding this problem. In this day and age, people expect more and as much as Harley promises getting you to sign, they better deliver.
/rant
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Road Master
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,151
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From: Seattle
This ain't the 70's. Water-cooled motors are nothing new. Harley should have got it right the first time. But instead, they rushed the bikes to market to meet competitive pressures and make a big splash at the 110th.
Harley will likely settle out of court with Mr. Okon. Bad press is isn't good for sales.
Harley will likely settle out of court with Mr. Okon. Bad press is isn't good for sales.
Advanced
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 56
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From: Spring
There may or may not be issues with the bike, however class action lawsuits are usually brought for one main reason, some attorney wants to get paid... rather than protect the "class" or people in this case that bought the bikes.
There is likely a LOT more to this story.
There is likely a LOT more to this story.