Stage 4 Problems!
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Tourer
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From: Athens, Al.
Can you elaborate on all the abbreviations Please. And what is the best one?
Road Warrior
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Both are brands of tuners. I also have a non-HD stage 4 and run the TTS Mastertune which gives a good tuner incredible access to map the bike, how it runs, etc, etc, etc. TBH, if the dealer told you that you'd be fine running their HD stage 4 kit without a tuner I would have some VERY SERIOUS questions about their knowledge. A tuner is the first thing that should be on the bike. Before a stage 1 and slipons even! A tuner can take a stock 103 and add a hell of a lot of performance just by tuning it properly. With a Stave 4, you've changed everything about how the motor takes in air and fuel, the timing, the throttle response....EVERYTHING. You absolutely need a tuner to make that thing rideable or you stand a better chance burning something up due to bad air/fuel ratios and actually HAVING a warranty claim than getting a tuner, a dyno, be happy with the way it runs and likely have no issues whatsoever.
Seriously 2008Glide. You have to buy a tuner and put it on the dyno to get it running. If the dealer did the work and sent you down the road without a tune, find a different dealer.
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TTS Mastertune, DynoJet PowerVision and Screamin Eagle Pro Super Tuner. Think of them as tools. The tradesman using the tool is what matters. All of them can be used on the dyno as an interface to reflash the ecm for changes needed to adjust the fuel and timing tables. PV has a display(video style gauges) that you can leave on the bike if desired, also for data gathering for reflashing, called autotune. It also has the ability to do reflashing and tweaks without a pc, and it can do speedo recalibration. TTS is a unit that you can also do data gathering with and can hold around 10 hours of data, and does speedo recalibration but must be plugged into a pc to reflash. SEPST does data gathering but only holds 15 minutes and last I checked has no provision for speedo recalibration and it must be plugged into a pc to reflash as well. Ask the dyno tuners in your area what their preferences are before buying one. There are some bonuses to each unit depending on what you are going to do and who will be doing the tuning. Oh and BTW these tuners are VIN specific and once "married" to the the bike they cannot be used on another bike with some exception, you can go online and buy another license(s) for the PV for $200 each, the TTS can be bought as a 2 bike system(for about $200 more than a 1 bike system) but I don't think a single bike unit can be made to tune a second bike, and the sepst is strictly a 1 bike system. I may have misspoke on some features as I am nowhere near an expert and I'm sure someone will come along and point out a bunch of mistakes I made, LOL
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As for the warranty, I am not so sure that you can't make a case for maintaining the warranty; see the attachment. Also take a look at the attached dyno sheet from a Stage IV "race' kit with a decent tune. This was on a 2015 Breakout, so the big *** chrome rear wheel/tire and the counter balancers are eating into the peak numbers; one could expect higher peak numbers from a touring model and the TQ/HP curve would shift left a tad without having to overcome the inertia required to get that big wheel/tire rolling. Most likely your mileage also sucks as you are probably running rich. You will never get the low end torque you might want from the 259E cam but that's another discussion.
You do have a third option, pull the Stage IV kit, put it on EBay and return to a stock configuration.
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Both are brands of tuners. I also have a non-HD stage 4 and run the TTS Mastertune which gives a good tuner incredible access to map the bike, how it runs, etc, etc, etc. TBH, if the dealer told you that you'd be fine running their HD stage 4 kit without a tuner I would have some VERY SERIOUS questions about their knowledge. A tuner is the first thing that should be on the bike. Before a stage 1 and slipons even! A tuner can take a stock 103 and add a hell of a lot of performance just by tuning it properly. With a Stave 4, you've changed everything about how the motor takes in air and fuel, the timing, the throttle response....EVERYTHING. You absolutely need a tuner to make that thing rideable or you stand a better chance burning something up due to bad air/fuel ratios and actually HAVING a warranty claim than getting a tuner, a dyno, be happy with the way it runs and likely have no issues whatsoever.
Seriously 2008Glide. You have to buy a tuner and put it on the dyno to get it running. If the dealer did the work and sent you down the road without a tune, find a different dealer.
Seriously 2008Glide. You have to buy a tuner and put it on the dyno to get it running. If the dealer did the work and sent you down the road without a tune, find a different dealer.
. ...OOPS that may get me boo'd off stage now.
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Both are brands of tuners. I also have a non-HD stage 4 and run the TTS Mastertune which gives a good tuner incredible access to map the bike, how it runs, etc, etc, etc. TBH, if the dealer told you that you'd be fine running their HD stage 4 kit without a tuner I would have some VERY SERIOUS questions about their knowledge. A tuner is the first thing that should be on the bike. Before a stage 1 and slipons even! A tuner can take a stock 103 and add a hell of a lot of performance just by tuning it properly. With a Stave 4, you've changed everything about how the motor takes in air and fuel, the timing, the throttle response....EVERYTHING. You absolutely need a tuner to make that thing rideable or you stand a better chance burning something up due to bad air/fuel ratios and actually HAVING a warranty claim than getting a tuner, a dyno, be happy with the way it runs and likely have no issues whatsoever.
Seriously 2008Glide. You have to buy a tuner and put it on the dyno to get it running. If the dealer did the work and sent you down the road without a tune, find a different dealer.
Seriously 2008Glide. You have to buy a tuner and put it on the dyno to get it running. If the dealer did the work and sent you down the road without a tune, find a different dealer.
Where is everyone getting this information that a tuner will void your warranty? Yes, if you install a tuner and put some crazy map on it that fries the engine, you are out of luck. If you know what you are doing and tweak things for optimal performance, there are no issues.
Hell, if you are so worried, get the Power Vision PV2 from Jamie at Fuel Moto. He will pre-install a map for your specific set up. Should you need to take it into the dealer, reflash the stock map and ride it in.-
Hell, if you are so worried, get the Power Vision PV2 from Jamie at Fuel Moto. He will pre-install a map for your specific set up. Should you need to take it into the dealer, reflash the stock map and ride it in.-
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Where is everyone getting this information that a tuner will void your warranty? Yes, if you install a tuner and put some crazy map on it that fries the engine, you are out of luck. If you know what you are doing and tweak things for optimal performance, there are no issues.
Hell, if you are so worried, get the Power Vision PV2 from Jamie at Fuel Moto. He will pre-install a map for your specific set up. Should you need to take it into the dealer, reflash the stock map and ride it in.-
Hell, if you are so worried, get the Power Vision PV2 from Jamie at Fuel Moto. He will pre-install a map for your specific set up. Should you need to take it into the dealer, reflash the stock map and ride it in.-
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