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Old Jul 30, 2017 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by alarmdoug
If your re-read my post, once again, all I stated is a mechanic claims he has pulled a lot of blackened bearings out of transmissions running heavy weight gear lube.
75/90 is NOT heavy weight, its the same as 20/50.
But you are an example of what the mechanic claims, 140 gear lube is WAY over a 50 weight oil and it is his claim by using this wildly out of spec oil your bearings are running so hot they blacken.
Never mind the fact that gear lube is CORROSIVE and the product has to be made for a corrosive fluid to be used, clearly since HD does not recommend gear lube in a transmission they do not have it in mind. This corrosive gear lube can also blacken any yellow metals in the transmission.
(btw way, just discussing here)
You said "shockproof heavy comes to mind" which is a 90 weight. 140 weight is equivalent to slightly over 60 weight. The difference in flow properties between 50 weight and 60 weight oils are insignificant in a Harley tranny, this may send you over the fence, but i also run straight 60 weight oil in my motor all summer. As to the corrosiveness, gl-5 gear lubes are corrosive to brass and some soft metals only at temperatures over 250 degrees, however gl-5/mt1 spec is not. If my transmission fluid ever gets above 250 degrees i would have a bigger problem than the type of lubricant I have in it, and if I were running a gl-5 that wasn't also "api mt1 spec" and my transmission ever got over 250 degrees I would certainly worry if a harley transmission had any brass in them, fortunately for those of us who prefer gear oil in our gear box unless it is a kick starter they don't. Honestly, i don't care what you run, if it provides adequate lubrication and you have a problem, 999 times out of 1000 its a part failure. Oil related failures are an extremely rare occurrence, and even harder to prove.
 

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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 06:35 AM
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Whatever floats one boat, for me, there is a reason for everything and I trust the engineers for the product they manufacture.

Someone wants to run a an equal of a 70 weight gear lube in a transmission designed for a 50 weight motor oil, fine with me.
As far as your Shockproof, well, send it to a lab to find out the real viscosity, there has been some controversy about them defending their rating as a 90.

and last but not least as far as ... "this may send you over the fence"
Well, your certainly wrong about that. )
 
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 09:04 AM
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And that's what I've been driving at, blindly following what people who build a transmission to tell you what lube to use, all they're interested in is "is it safe, will it not hurt it ". if you want to know what will work best for any given application, maybe you should ask the people who develop the lubrication products. I could have just said that a long time ago but this was more fun. Listening to the manufacturer and accepting that as gospel is like believing the news....
 

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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by otterhigh2
And that's what I've been driving at, blindly following what people who build a transmission to tell you what lube to use, all they're interested in is "is it safe, will it not hurt it ". if you want to know what will work best for any given application, maybe you should ask the people who develop the lubrication products. I could have just said that a long time ago but this was more fun. Listening to the manufacturer and accepting that as gospel is like believing the news....
Yes, more fun, just discussing... I Never say never, I can say I'm one of the lucky ones for now... Bike shifts like a Swiss watch... But some day if it doesn't... Ya never know..
It would be nice when people have issues they disclose what fluids their using!
But honestly I'm in the camp of the design more then the fluid...
 
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by alarmdoug;16484639
It would be nice when people have issues they disclose what fluids their using!
But honestly I'm in the camp of the design more then the fluid...[/QUOTE

Turned out it was a bad main shaft bearing. And before anyone tries to analyze what I did wrong, fluids were always changed before specified intervals. Redline fluids in transmission and primary last 2 yrs.
That was from #5
 
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