Pumping Own Fuel
Road Captain
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From: Southern Oregon
Oregon is nanny state and the attendants pump the gas unless you are in a county of fewer than 40,000 population.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/institu.../#6e4dd532600e
https://www.forbes.com/sites/institu.../#6e4dd532600e
https://medium.com/policy-northwest/...an-c45a1b57d64
BTW this law has been effect since 1951, long before Oregon became a nanny state. Fortunately there are still plenty of Oregonians who ignore idiotic nanny laws. State of Jefferson!!!
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From: Ft. Worth, TX
Not quite that simple, here's more than you ever wanted to know:
https://medium.com/policy-northwest/...an-c45a1b57d64
BTW this law has been effect since 1951, long before Oregon became a nanny state. Fortunately there are still plenty of Oregonians who ignore idiotic nanny laws. State of Jefferson!!!
https://medium.com/policy-northwest/...an-c45a1b57d64
BTW this law has been effect since 1951, long before Oregon became a nanny state. Fortunately there are still plenty of Oregonians who ignore idiotic nanny laws. State of Jefferson!!!
Road Captain
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From: Southern Oregon
No need for a pissing match, never been to Texas but the Texans I have met have been good folks for the most part. Oregon is a beautiful state with a really effed up government controlled by the Portland liberals. The rest of the state is different.
Ride on brother.
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From: Ft. Worth, TX
Of course you fail to mention that self service was illegal in Texas then too along with most of the country.
No need for a pissing match, never been to Texas but the Texans I have met have been good folks for the most part. Oregon is a beautiful state with a really effed up government controlled by the Portland liberals. The rest of the state is different.
Ride on brother.
No need for a pissing match, never been to Texas but the Texans I have met have been good folks for the most part. Oregon is a beautiful state with a really effed up government controlled by the Portland liberals. The rest of the state is different.
Ride on brother.
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From: San Diego, CA
Good jobs, are created by a healthy economy, not by "charity" of the consumer... I will not shop at a place that charges more for their product (gas) and takes forever to deliver it (fill up w/gas), just because they fill some minimum wage jobs (attendants).... I don't see that as "creating" jobs...
I worked through High School and most of college pumping gas at the same Hess Gas station. Five islands, 16 pumps, and never fewer than 3 guys on duty, usually 5 guys. We had a lot of cars go through that station. Pumping gas (unless an owner or station manager) is an entry level, minimum wage job with no real path to improvement (financially or professionally)... I think after 5 years there, and as a "shift" manager, I was about $0.60 above minimum wage. It's not a career job to raise a family, buy a house, etc... My station was full of kids going to school and a few adults who were there as a second, part time job for extra cash... Only the station owner (who did real well) and the general manager made livelihood/career type money...
Also, I don't believe my state government should enact silly legislation because it increases the need for entry level minimum wage jobs... that's not "creating" the kind of jobs this country needs...
But that's just my opinion......
Last edited by hattitude; Feb 15, 2020 at 10:16 AM.
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From: Portland, Oregon
I don't understand this reasoning....
Good jobs, are created by a healthy economy, not by "charity" of the consumer... I will not shop at a place that charges more for their product (gas) and takes forever to deliver it (fill up w/gas), just because they fill some minimum wage jobs (attendants).... I don't see that as "creating" jobs...
I worked through High School and most of college pumping gas at the same Hess Gas station. Five islands, 16 pumps, and never fewer than 3 guys on duty, usually 5 guys. We had a lot of cars go through that station. Pumping gas (unless an owner or station manager) is an entry level, minimum wage job with no real path to improvement (financially or professionally)... I think after 5 years there, and as a "shift" manager, I was about $0.60 above minimum wage. It's not a career job to raise a family, buy a house, etc... My station was full of kids going to school and a few adults who were there as a second, part time job for extra cash... Only the station owner (who did real well) and the general manager made livelihood/career type money...
Also, I don't believe my state government should enact silly legislation because it increases the need for entry level minimum wage jobs... that's not "creating" the kind of jobs this country needs...
But that's just my opinion......
Good jobs, are created by a healthy economy, not by "charity" of the consumer... I will not shop at a place that charges more for their product (gas) and takes forever to deliver it (fill up w/gas), just because they fill some minimum wage jobs (attendants).... I don't see that as "creating" jobs...
I worked through High School and most of college pumping gas at the same Hess Gas station. Five islands, 16 pumps, and never fewer than 3 guys on duty, usually 5 guys. We had a lot of cars go through that station. Pumping gas (unless an owner or station manager) is an entry level, minimum wage job with no real path to improvement (financially or professionally)... I think after 5 years there, and as a "shift" manager, I was about $0.60 above minimum wage. It's not a career job to raise a family, buy a house, etc... My station was full of kids going to school and a few adults who were there as a second, part time job for extra cash... Only the station owner (who did real well) and the general manager made livelihood/career type money...
Also, I don't believe my state government should enact silly legislation because it increases the need for entry level minimum wage jobs... that's not "creating" the kind of jobs this country needs...
But that's just my opinion......
That's not my opinion...it's math.
Whether it's worth it or not...yeah...that's a matter of opinion.
Last edited by rcn1963; Feb 15, 2020 at 12:04 PM.
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From: San Diego, CA
I can think of 8 gas stations in my town of about 25,000. Averaging 3 islands each, and assuming one attendant per island for two shifts per day, that's 48 jobs. That is significant in a town of 25,000. And while I completely agree these are low end jobs with no real future...they are "actual" jobs that would not otherwise exist. And since it seems a bit late to avoid the political implications of this discussion...a government policy that actually creates that many jobs without any real budget impact seems like a stark contrast to so many other government actions that are sold as "job creation"...but then never actually create any jobs. Or worse...create a $30K per year job by adding $250K per year to the deficit. And while the jobs being created are low end jobs...the rule of supply and demand indicates that the competition for workers will provide upward pressure on wages.
That's not my opinion...it's math.
Whether it's worth it or not...yeah...that's a matter of opinion.
That's not my opinion...it's math.
Whether it's worth it or not...yeah...that's a matter of opinion.
I probably voiced a moot opinion because I doubt they passed the "attendant has to pump law" to make jobs...
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From: Portland, Oregon
On a lighter note...if you want to see various arguments for such a law...go to youtube and search for "morons at gas stations". It might prove entertaining in a "three stooges" sort of way. I would normally be a fan of letting natural selection do its thing. But like drunk drivers...its usually someone other than the moron who suffers the consequences of moronic actions.
Having said that...I'm really glad that there weren't so many cameras around when I was young.
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From: Fix'n 2 N, TX
I couldn't resist... "morons at gas stations". Good lord! Why would an attendant want his life in danger for such a low wage??
Distracted people, idiots... I don't get all the fires from the nozzle?
Distracted people, idiots... I don't get all the fires from the nozzle?
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From: Portland, Oregon
As for nozzle fires, my understanding is that static electricity can create a spark between the nozzle and the car. If there is also just the right amount of fuel vapor coming from the nozzle or tank...then a spark can ignite it. Obviously it takes just the right conditions, but it seems plausible. I know a guy who used to drive a fuel tanker and they were required to hook up grounding straps to the truck before messing with hoses.