Stage 1 differences
Road Warrior
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From: Santa Fe NM
Not sure about the curves but the feel of the bike will be better. I noticed better throttle response and the bike gets up and goes a bit quicker.
I don't think there's much difference between stock and stage 1 on paper but I think it's noticable while riding.
I don't think there's much difference between stock and stage 1 on paper but I think it's noticable while riding.
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From: Texas
The Ventilator's already flowing more air than your engine can use, so changing to the K&N is going to cost you some money and reduce your filtration effectiveness, but I'd bet heavily it won't move the numbers much at all. The Street Cannons will give the bike a louder bark, and may add a few hp and a few ft/lbs, but as to whether you'd actually feel a difference or not, I would bet not. But it will be louder.
The tuner would probably make more difference by itself, simply in that it can adapt to the exact components you have, and will smooth things out as Bowhunter said. But is that worth the $900 expense to go Stage 1? Only you can decide.
So Stage 1 by itself is, I think, a complete waste for increasing HP and torque, especially on a 114 that already has the Ventilator. But if you do go Stage 1, you'd then be in a position to add the torque cam, and that would do huge things for your hp and torque numbers, increasing both by about 25%.
Stage 1: much expense, and much disappointment.
Stage 2: $400 more expense, and much happiness.
The tuner would probably make more difference by itself, simply in that it can adapt to the exact components you have, and will smooth things out as Bowhunter said. But is that worth the $900 expense to go Stage 1? Only you can decide.
So Stage 1 by itself is, I think, a complete waste for increasing HP and torque, especially on a 114 that already has the Ventilator. But if you do go Stage 1, you'd then be in a position to add the torque cam, and that would do huge things for your hp and torque numbers, increasing both by about 25%.
Stage 1: much expense, and much disappointment.
Stage 2: $400 more expense, and much happiness.
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Road Warrior
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The reason I'm asking is that I rode my bike for the first time today after putting a K&N filter on my ventilator. Could be my imagination but it feels different. Hard to describe but less responsive and seems to be turning fewer rpms at given speeds.
But in addition to that, on the freeway, between 70 and 80 the bike just seems to be making a lot of vibration even though it's only turning between ~2550 and ~2670 rpms at those speeds. While there is plenty of throttle left, the feeling I get is that the bike is working hard to go that fast. Might be that I'm just used to 70mph smoothness on my VTX. Different animal I know, but was wonderning if the stage 1 would allow the bike to work less and possibly feel smoother at those speeds. I'm not after more power or torque, the bike has plenty of those for my tastes. Just a smoothing out in the feel if possible. Is that possible with a stage 1, or stage 2? Or is it just the nature of the beast that makes it seem like it's working hard on the slab?
But in addition to that, on the freeway, between 70 and 80 the bike just seems to be making a lot of vibration even though it's only turning between ~2550 and ~2670 rpms at those speeds. While there is plenty of throttle left, the feeling I get is that the bike is working hard to go that fast. Might be that I'm just used to 70mph smoothness on my VTX. Different animal I know, but was wonderning if the stage 1 would allow the bike to work less and possibly feel smoother at those speeds. I'm not after more power or torque, the bike has plenty of those for my tastes. Just a smoothing out in the feel if possible. Is that possible with a stage 1, or stage 2? Or is it just the nature of the beast that makes it seem like it's working hard on the slab?
Road Captain
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From: Long Island New York
I did the stage1 on my slim with the heavy breather and smart tune. Im not sure about numbers but there definitely was a noticeable difference. I wanted to hold off on the stage 2 till I started to get bored with the feel of the bike. I have to say its been a bit and Im still not bored, bike feels great!!!
Cruiser
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From: Winnetka, CA
Keep in mind that the horsepower and torque curves you see on dyno sheets are generated by wide-open throttle runs. That means the bike is running in "open loop" and uses a pre-set air/fuel ratio ("AFR") (usually between 12:1 - 13:1) as opposed to part-throttle which tries to keep the AFR at 14.7:1 using the O2 sensors. The richer open loop ratio will always make more power than closed loop. So if you dyno your scoot and get, say 100 hp, you are not experiencing that much horsepower just driving around. Well, unless you're ripping it wide open every chance you get.
Road Captain
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From: Spokane, WA
It might be partly your imagination and partly a slight increase in intake noise, maybe. But you didn't make much if any change to it. An all SE stage one is barely noticable, a little more sound and not much else in my opinion.
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The reason I'm asking is that I rode my bike for the first time today after putting a K&N filter on my ventilator. Could be my imagination but it feels different. Hard to describe but less responsive and seems to be turning fewer rpms at given speeds.
But in addition to that, on the freeway, between 70 and 80 the bike just seems to be making a lot of vibration even though it's only turning between ~2550 and ~2670 rpms at those speeds. While there is plenty of throttle left, the feeling I get is that the bike is working hard to go that fast. Might be that I'm just used to 70mph smoothness on my VTX. Different animal I know, but was wonderning if the stage 1 would allow the bike to work less and possibly feel smoother at those speeds. I'm not after more power or torque, the bike has plenty of those for my tastes. Just a smoothing out in the feel if possible. Is that possible with a stage 1, or stage 2? Or is it just the nature of the beast that makes it seem like it's working hard on the slab?
But in addition to that, on the freeway, between 70 and 80 the bike just seems to be making a lot of vibration even though it's only turning between ~2550 and ~2670 rpms at those speeds. While there is plenty of throttle left, the feeling I get is that the bike is working hard to go that fast. Might be that I'm just used to 70mph smoothness on my VTX. Different animal I know, but was wonderning if the stage 1 would allow the bike to work less and possibly feel smoother at those speeds. I'm not after more power or torque, the bike has plenty of those for my tastes. Just a smoothing out in the feel if possible. Is that possible with a stage 1, or stage 2? Or is it just the nature of the beast that makes it seem like it's working hard on the slab?
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Road Warrior
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I should have been more clear in what I said about the feel on the freeway. The bike has always felt like it's working hard there, from the day I bought it. The strange thing is that I know it's not. It's just a different visceral feel that what I'm accustomed to.
The change in responsiveness today was I think due to the AF change, as was the lower rpms at given speeds. For instance, in fourth gear at 40mph I was barely turning 2K, whereas with the stock filter I would have been between 2100 and 2200 if memory serves. I'm assuming the increase in airflow was leaning out the mixture. Does it make sense that this could cause it to "cruise" at low speeds with less rpms? And be less responsive?
The change in responsiveness today was I think due to the AF change, as was the lower rpms at given speeds. For instance, in fourth gear at 40mph I was barely turning 2K, whereas with the stock filter I would have been between 2100 and 2200 if memory serves. I'm assuming the increase in airflow was leaning out the mixture. Does it make sense that this could cause it to "cruise" at low speeds with less rpms? And be less responsive?
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I should have been more clear in what I said about the feel on the freeway. The bike has always felt like it's working hard there, from the day I bought it. The strange thing is that I know it's not. It's just a different visceral feel that what I'm accustomed to.
The change in responsiveness today was I think due to the AF change, as was the lower rpms at given speeds. For instance, in fourth gear at 40mph I was barely turning 2K, whereas with the stock filter I would have been between 2100 and 2200 if memory serves. I'm assuming the increase in airflow was leaning out the mixture. Does it make sense that this could cause it to "cruise" at low speeds with less rpms? And be less responsive?
The change in responsiveness today was I think due to the AF change, as was the lower rpms at given speeds. For instance, in fourth gear at 40mph I was barely turning 2K, whereas with the stock filter I would have been between 2100 and 2200 if memory serves. I'm assuming the increase in airflow was leaning out the mixture. Does it make sense that this could cause it to "cruise" at low speeds with less rpms? And be less responsive?
Peace.
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