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They show horsepower on the UK version of the official HD site. 86hp for the 107, 97hp for the 114. Expect that's at the crank, not the rear wheel. 114 peak torque is 155NM at 3,000rpm. Guess the difference to the earlier post might be Euro emissions/ tune.
Ive found a couple fat boys, one is a lightly used 2018 in wicked red/twisted cherry the other is a new 2020 in zephyr blue. Ive not seen these colors in person on a Fatboy, I have seen the zephyr blue on other models and Im partial to blues in the past. Was hoping for some pics in real world lighting conditions. Also Im gonna be blacking most of the bike out which will affect the appearance and I think would contrast better with the red...
JJ
Both are great colors (a buddy has the zephyr blue) but Ive always been partial to red bikes.
All that said, last year I bought a used 18 with 508 miles over a brand new one. I was able to get it with a Bassani Road Rage, SE Pro Tuner, HD Sissy Bar, HD Swingarm Bag and all the labor for $1k less out the door than MSRP on a new one.
Both are great colors (a buddy has the zephyr blue) but Ive always been partial to red bikes.
All that said, last year I bought a used 18 with 508 miles over a brand new one. I was able to get it with a Bassani Road Rage, SE Pro Tuner, HD Sissy Bar, HD Swingarm Bag and all the labor for $1k less out the door than MSRP on a new one.
YMMV...
thats kind of where Im at, 2018 already has windshield and sissy bar gonna have street slammers, cruise, heated grips and pegs installed for just under MSRP of a 2020...
Both are great colors (a buddy has the zephyr blue) but Ive always been partial to red bikes.
All that said, last year I bought a used 18 with 508 miles over a brand new one. I was able to get it with a Bassani Road Rage, SE Pro Tuner, HD Sissy Bar, HD Swingarm Bag and all the labor for $1k less out the door than MSRP on a new one.
YMMV...
Let me riddle this at you guys.
In a few months im gonna be able to pick up my bike and I've been looking all over cycletrader and facebook market place trying to keep tabs on good deals. A lot of used fat boys coming up with low miles and stock/mostly stock setup.
I said ****it to the color choice, gonna just pick a vinyl wrap and do it all myself, Tins and the batterybox panels. I got 3 colors picked out, and sparking red is currently my favorite. Cheaper than paying 750$ for a single color I might want to change later on anyways. As long as I get the Fat boy badges doesn't matter the color.
But the real conundrum I'm looking at here is this:
either I try to haggle the dealership's around here and see if i can get a new 2020/21 for a good OTD price less than what I was planning on, and if none of them will budge, I'll just grab one off cycletrader under 5k miles and as close to stock as possible
The big question is, if i dont get a 2020/21 which oilpump setup to replace the old one with?
The new SnS one with the O-ring for 750$ the Feuling one from Fuelmoto for 700$, or go with the HD one and pocket the difference?
Does the SnS one require testing the runout of the crankshaft? SnS said on youtube that theirs doesnt.
The harley one obviously doesnt either.
Feuling's does require a runout test, according to Moonshine. And it needs to be less than 5thousands.
Endgoal:
Choice Exhaust(cant decide).
Stock round aircleaner with KN filter/Cobra PowrFlo(should be nearly equal, style swappable)
PowerVision
55mm Aluminium manifold
22X Cam+Feuling HP+ Tappets+S&S Tappet Cuffs
SE Clutch pack
TTS ramp
Oil Pump???
Overbuilt for a stage2, keep it under stressed.
What do you think, Feuling/SnS pump pointless or might as well if I plan on getting in there and swapping it anyways?
But the real conundrum I'm looking at here is this:
either I try to haggle the dealership's around here and see if i can get a new 2020/21 for a good OTD price less than what I was planning on, and if none of them will budge, I'll just grab one off cycletrader under 5k miles and as close to stock as possible
The big question is, if i dont get a 2020/21 which oilpump setup to replace the old one with?
The new SnS one with the O-ring for 750$ the Feuling one from Fuelmoto for 700$, or go with the HD one and pocket the difference?
Does the SnS one require testing the runout of the crankshaft? SnS said on youtube that theirs doesnt.
The harley one obviously doesnt either.
Feuling's does require a runout test, according to Moonshine. And it needs to be less than 5thousands.
Endgoal:
Choice Exhaust(cant decide).
Stock round aircleaner with KN filter/Cobra PowrFlo(should be nearly equal, style swappable)
PowerVision
55mm Aluminium manifold
22X Cam+Feuling HP+ Tappets+S&S Tappet Cuffs
SE Clutch pack
TTS ramp
Oil Pump???
Overbuilt for a stage2, keep it under stressed.
What do you think, Feuling/SnS pump pointless or might as well if I plan on getting in there and swapping it anyways?
Since youre obviously not concerned with voiding the warranty on a new bike, Id go with the S&S oil pump. Thats what was recommended to me as the better alternative to the HD pump. Then again, Id go with the S&S 475 cam too. Those 2 items and a good exhaust are as far as I personally would go.
I got the 2 year extended warranty with mine, so itll have to be the SE Torque Cam and HD oil pump for me...
The Wood 22X cam gives the most gains of any stock lift cam from 2000RPM to 4000RPM and is only a little bit behind the 475c after 4000RPM.
22X is the best bang for your buck cam of the bunch.
The 222 cam beats the 475c in total top end horsepower.
So I'm going with the 22X unless I find I really like pulling up to the redline, then it'll be a 222.
I also Just do not like the lope sound the 475c makes. It annoys my ears in every 2020 M8 engine I've heard it in.
It sounds nice in a 2018 107, but i guess they changed something in the 2020 engine, or SnS did something with the cam where the lope is different and it does not sound good.
22X and 222 have pretty normal race bike sounding lopes that dont stand out, but ill take a mild lope over one I dont like.
Totally not trying to shoot you down or anything.
Here's my comparison graphs from FuelMoto
Look at how much gain there is in that 22X all the way up to 4000
Last edited by FranBunnyFFXII; Dec 8, 2020 at 09:13 PM.
The RS468 stomps all those cams in the real world dude.
The only place those woods cams win is on the FM dyno everywhere else, every other dyno and IRL they get stomped.
The Wood 22X cam gives the most gains of any stock lift cam from 2000RPM to 4000RPM and is only a little bit behind the 475c after 4000RPM.
22X is the best bang for your buck cam of the bunch.
The 222 cam beats the 475c in total top end horsepower.
So I'm going with the 22X unless I find I really like pulling up to the redline, then it'll be a 222.
I also Just do not like the lope sound the 475c makes. It annoys my ears in every 2020 M8 engine I've heard it in.
It sounds nice in a 2018 107, but i guess they changed something in the 2020 engine, or SnS did something with the cam where the lope is different and it does not sound good.
22X and 222 have pretty normal race bike sounding lopes that dont stand out, but ill take a mild lope over one I dont like.
Totally not trying to shoot you down or anything.
Here's my comparison graphs from FuelMoto
Look at how much gain there is in that 22X all the way up to 4000
Its all good. We’re all looking for different things. I heard the video of the 475C in Rican219’s bike and thought it sounded amazing with that lope. His is a 2018, 107.
I’m looking forward to the day you get your bike and have it modded your way. We’ve been on these same discussions since I joined here and I can’t wait to see where you wind up!
Last edited by Stormin70; Dec 8, 2020 at 09:47 PM.
The RS468 stomps all those cams in the real world dude.
The only place those woods cams win is on the FM dyno everywhere else, every other dyno and IRL they get stomped.
Not that I don't believe you but, got some stuff to refer me to?
I need to know why more than just a word of mouth to convince me.
Open to info.
Not that I don't believe you but, got some stuff to refer me to?
I need to know why more than just a word of mouth to convince me.
Open to info.
Buy a bike and try a few cams mate you'll work it out .
The CR480 is the strongest stock valve lift cam at the moment across the board, probably the RS472 next, the RS468 best left side cam on the market don't care what's after that. The CR482 is supposed to be a better CR480 but I know nothing about that cam ,yet.
Plenty of info on the internet but there's more info riding bikes and swapping cams, till you find what you like. Going to the drag strip, smashing each other at the stop lights you know riding the bikes mate that's how you find out..
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