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Stage 2 upgrade - what else to upgrade while at it?
Hi Guys
Today I put the down payment for Stage 2 upgrade on my 2019 Heritage 114 that will be done in May. Since I have some time before upgrade I wonder what might be good idea to update while we are at it.
My current set up:
1. S&S Teardrop air cleaner
2. VH Eliminator 300 mufflers with quiet baffles
3. Power Vision tuner
Below is what I plan/upgrade so far:
1. HD 2020 oil pump (maybe someone can share Part Number?)
2. New cam bearing
3. New cam (still torn apart between woods 22x or woods 22xe) - looking for torque coming in on low rpms as I spend a lot of my riding around 2000-2500rpm
3. new tappers
4. Adjustable pushrods
5. S&S cam guides
6. New gaskets
Here I am not concern about appearance of the engine as black pushrods tubes or stuff like that just mechanical things.
I consciously decided not to go with new cam plate due to cost and only stage 2 which I felt wont be absolutely needed but I wonder if maybe there is anything else I should consider to update while at it?
If possible I would like to quiet down engine noise but I hope adjustable pushrods and new tappets will help with it to some degree but also wonder if cam chain tensioner is needed or worth it (looks like no concerns withe these on M8s). What do you guys think?
My big concern is exhaust as I was told Softails are really sensitive to exhaust and 2in1 is preferred option to squeeze all performance out of this motor for Stage 2. Currently I have Eliminators 300 with quiet baffles (which should help with low rpm dip in torque that is commonly known issue for Softails) but I wonder if maybe I should consider other options? I am not street monster that try to get 110% out of this engine but I would like to balance performance and looks.
I am thinking about possibly installing touring bags on my Softail later on so 2in1 exhaust might work for me in the long run.
advantage of 2in1 is that it would allow me to squeeze these 22xe cams which will offer more torque which is what I am looking for. I was told 22xe is more sensitive to pipes on this bike therefore 22x was recommended with what I got so far.
Today I put the down payment for Stage 2 upgrade on my 2019 Heritage 114 that will be done in May. Since I have some time before upgrade I wonder what might be good idea to update while we are at it.
My current set up:
1. S&S Teardrop air cleaner
2. VH Eliminator 300 mufflers with quiet baffles
3. Power Vision tuner
Below is what I plan/upgrade so far:
1. HD 2020 oil pump (maybe someone can share Part Number?)
2. New cam bearing
3. New cam (still torn apart between woods 22x or woods 22xe) - looking for torque coming in on low rpms as I spend a lot of my riding around 2000-2500rpm
3. new tappers
4. Adjustable pushrods
5. S&S cam guides
6. New gaskets
Here I am not concern about appearance of the engine as black pushrods tubes or stuff like that just mechanical things.
I consciously decided not to go with new cam plate due to cost and only stage 2 which I felt wont be absolutely needed but I wonder if maybe there is anything else I should consider to update while at it?
If possible I would like to quiet down engine noise but I hope adjustable pushrods and new tappets will help with it to some degree but also wonder if cam chain tensioner is needed or worth it (looks like no concerns withe these on M8s). What do you guys think?
My big concern is exhaust as I was told Softails are really sensitive to exhaust and 2in1 is preferred option to squeeze all performance out of this motor for Stage 2. Currently I have Eliminators 300 with quiet baffles (which should help with low rpm dip in torque that is commonly known issue for Softails) but I wonder if maybe I should consider other options? I am not street monster that try to get 110% out of this engine but I would like to balance performance and looks.
I am thinking about possibly installing touring bags on my Softail later on so 2in1 exhaust might work for me in the long run.
advantage of 2in1 is that it would allow me to squeeze these 22xe cams which will offer more torque which is what I am looking for. I was told 22xe is more sensitive to pipes on this bike therefore 22x was recommended with what I got so far.
Please feel free to share.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
I recommend that you look at the TTS 100 camshaft. It is great at lower rpms and is less sensitive to exhaust systems. I have it in my bike now with the H-D wide band automatic tuning module and it runs fantastic. Lots of info in the thread linked in my signature pic.
I recommend that you look at the TTS 100 camshaft. It is great at lower rpms and is less sensitive to exhaust systems. I have it in my bike now with the H-D wide band automatic tuning module and it runs fantastic. Lots of info in the thread linked in my signature pic.
Now you throw wrench in my whole situation 🤣. Yes I remember your dyno chart and yes it was insane. Would you mind to share exactly what your whole engine set up is? I was actually hoping to replicate your set up as much as I can as remember this torque was flat as the table on yours. Not sure if FuelMoto can accommodate this cam as part of their install mit but I am asking now. Would you mind to repost your dyno chart just so I can get the idea?
Now you throw wrench in my whole situation 🤣. Yes I remember your dyno chart and yes it was insane. Would you mind to share exactly what your whole engine set up is? I was actually hoping to replicate your set up as much as I can as remember this torque was flat as the table on yours. Not sure if FuelMoto can accommodate this cam as part of their install mit but I am asking now. Would you mind to repost your dyno chart just so I can get the idea?
The dyno chart I have is with the H-D torque cam. I had that installed by the dealer before I took delivery of the bike. 12,000 miles later I was less worried about the warranty and wanted to put in the new upgraded oil pump so I switched cams to the TTS-100 at the same time. It is an amazing cam for smooth and powerful low end torque with great throttle response.
If you're doing stage 2 on an M8 Consider upgrading the Compensator and Clutch pack.
24v's LRS blew up his Comp ramp with a Wood22X cam.
TTS Performance has noted that building power in an M8 is a sure fire way to break your comp ramp.
If you have a normal width M8 Softail, Dark Horse Crankworks, makes their Man O War comp which is fantastic.
If you have a widetire M8(breakout, Fat Boy, FXDR) you're SOL, and you'll have to contact TTS performance to have them send out a forged comp ramp.
Stage 2 114s are bordering the line of being able to slip a stock clutch. SE clutch handles the increased stage 2 torque and power with stock springs.
The dyno chart I have is with the H-D torque cam. I had that installed by the dealer before I took delivery of the bike. 12,000 miles later I was less worried about the warranty and wanted to put in the new upgraded oil pump so I switched cams to the TTS-100 at the same time. It is an amazing cam for smooth and powerful low end torque with great throttle response.
Fuel Moto does good work and will probably want to stay with their familiar engine parts.
yes I am afraid FM dont have this TTS 100 cam in their portfolio so I am not sure how that will play out. I asked the question what would happen if I want this specific cam to be installed and awaiting reply.
I read this post about cam shoot out from Stonecold and woods 22x wasn't rated as high as I wished. Will keep you guys posted. I guess you might be right they will probably stay with cams that are in their portfolio.
From what I see they offer following options of cams so I wonder what would you guys recommend in case I cant get this TTS 100 that has closest parameters and will work good with my VH Eliminator slip ons with quiet baffles? As mentioned I am looking for solid torque cam and I spend a lot of my riding down low around 2000-2500 rpms
FM cams portofolio:
woods
cyclerama
s&s
fueling
zippers
unfortunately there will be no work done on clutch side so I am hoping I wont have issues with compensator or clutch but these are also not recommended upgrades from HD side for stage 2 (for sure for stage 3 and up I would consider). Damn it this always end up being more than it looks like initially 🤣
I thought the latest oil pump part # was 62400238. But of course I could be wrong
Editing my reply. Here's the skinny straight from the tech tip: 62400247 is the kit for the oil cooled M8s, 62400248 is the kit for the twin-cooled M8s. 62400238 is the pump housing's part number.
I recommend that you look at the TTS 100 camshaft. It is great at lower rpms and is less sensitive to exhaust systems. I have it in my bike now with the H-D wide band automatic tuning module and it runs fantastic. Lots of info in the thread linked in my signature pic.
You were right no chance to go with TTS cam while doing the work at Fuel Moto. I guess I will have to stick with Woods 22X cam. The only dilemma I got now is what this cam will do with my VH Eliminator 300 with quiet baffles. I would like to consider the best exhaust I can to get max torque out of this cam but I cant stand loud so it would have to be somehow quiet pipe or preferably something right in the middle between stock mufflers and VH with free glow (no baffle) set up.
Not sure what to do. I like one 2in1 pipe from S&S but I believe this one do NOT allow right passenger peg to be mounted in original spot so I guess this option is out the window
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Stage 2 upgrade - what else to upgrade while at it?
