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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by NZLowrider
Was your Lowrider ST tuned on dyno also?
Yes, absolutely. Techno Research Direct Link and tuned by probably the best tuner here in the UK.

I am quite pleased with the result. As stated above, the 117 has the CVO cam in which is similar to the SE447, but not the same.

I'll probably do a different cam and either the S&S Stealth or Trask Assault air filter at the same time later this year, then back on the dyno it will go.
 

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NZLowrider My warranty (and epa here with catalyst in the exhaust) 118 HP 122 TQ 114ci was with the SE-498 cam. The next step up from the SE-462.

RGS88 Fortunately 37,500 miles no oil pump issues. Eh if your friend had the torque cam (SE-447) he probably made a lot less HP than mine. As linked above Fuel Moto got (well tuned with good AC & exhaust) 103 HP out of the SE-447. And with the next step "power" cam (SE-462) they got 108.8 HP. I have the very next step SE-498 which made the 118 HP. The last step SE-515 should make a good bit more HP than mine but generally does sacrifice some low end and wants more compression. Point being unless you need say in excess of 125 HP you can do it with Screaming Eagle cams without voiding warranty. I am not saying NZLowrider should not consider an aftermarket cam only that factory cams are not as limited as many think its about the combo and THE TUNE. In this case OP showed us even with a well known aftermarket cam that has previously shown to be able to make very good HP numbers only made 83 HP ie a stock 114 generally makes what 81ish HP. So again depending on his goals parts selection and tune NZLowrider or anyone else may be able to meet their goals without voiding warranty.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 12:02 PM
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ridgidthumper, Agreed the 447 is better than the stock cam everywhere. IMO it should not be sold as a performance cam it should generally be the OE cam. I just think its Harley's way of upselling to pull more money from the same bike sale. MoCo OE cams really suck by design.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 12:09 PM
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[QUOTE=torque73;21046625]Just got my 22 Fat Bob back from Harley and my dyno numbers aren't looking good. Installed S&S 475C kit, Bassani Ripper 2 into 1 and power vision tune. 83HP and 114TQ. Any ideas?

Something is definitely off !114 with 475 cam? stage 2 your ho #s should be over 100 and torque over 120 dealer did something wrong, you should havenoticed an eye popping difference over stock.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 12:11 PM
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I would consider changing those plugs before the tune. Thoroughly cleaning them at the very least, but plugs are cheap.

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Originally Posted by torque73
Yea, I reserved a motorcycle trailer from uhaul, better safe than sorry. Plus its super loud, my guess because of the tune also. Maybe the combustion process is still happening from all the gas not getting burnt before the exhaust valves starts opening or maybe its lighting off in the pipe I don't know, but its obnoxious lol. 106-108 db at idle right now measured beside the bike.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by VernDiesel
NZLowrider My warranty (and epa here with catalyst in the exhaust) 118 HP 122 TQ 114ci was with the SE-498 cam. The next step up from the SE-462.

RGS88 Fortunately 37,500 miles no oil pump issues. Eh if your friend had the torque cam (SE-447) he probably made a lot less HP than mine. As linked above Fuel Moto got (well tuned with good AC & exhaust) 103 HP out of the SE-447. And with the next step "power" cam (SE-462) they got 108.8 HP. I have the very next step SE-498 which made the 118 HP. The last step SE-515 should make a good bit more HP than mine but generally does sacrifice some low end and wants more compression. Point being unless you need say in excess of 125 HP you can do it with Screaming Eagle cams without voiding warranty. I am not saying NZLowrider should not consider an aftermarket cam only that factory cams are not as limited as many think its about the combo and THE TUNE. In this case OP showed us even with a well known aftermarket cam that has previously shown to be able to make very good HP numbers only made 83 HP ie a stock 114 generally makes what 81ish HP. So again depending on his goals parts selection and tune NZLowrider or anyone else may be able to meet their goals without voiding warranty.
yeah my previous '20 FXLRS had the SE462 with a S&S pipe and K&N filter element with a PV dyno tune produced 108hp and 118 in torque, I didn't like the fact it was slightly down on lowdown torque compared to oem, the warranty is not a big deal breaker for me and I'm willing to take the risk
 
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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 12:16 PM
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[QUOTE=Waydel;21051460]
Originally Posted by torque73
Just got my 22 Fat Bob back from Harley and my dyno numbers aren't looking good. Installed S&S 475C kit, Bassani Ripper 2 into 1 and power vision tune. 83HP and 114TQ. Any ideas?

Something is definitely off !114 with 475 cam? stage 2 your ho #s should be over 100 and torque over 120 dealer did something wrong, you should havenoticed an eye popping difference over stock.
The tuner should of noticed the very low power result and at least should of found out why?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2023 | 02:25 PM
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Huge difference between tuners and dyno operators...
 
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Something isn't right here. The 114" with a 475 cam and a DECENT exhaust should be capable of 110-120HP and 115-125 torque. Looks like whoever tuned your bike shouldn't be anywhere near a dyno.....
 
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Old Feb 5, 2023 | 07:15 AM
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Found a local shop that has attained much better results. If located in the central Florida area I recommend that you check them out, I found them on YouTube, great folks. Again, thanks for all the replies, help and recommendations, it was definitely the tune from Harley that was the issue.



 
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