Where is my power?
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I was going go with the d&d , they sit to low. I then tried to purchase a rinehart 2into1. Ordered it and 4 months later still on back order so I pulled my order. Ended up with the Bassani road rage. Good pipe. A little soft down low. I now run the jackpot riot pipe by fuel moto. It felt like I lowered my gearing compared to the Bassani. Paired with the woods 22xE sounds and performs great.
Last edited by Durham man; Feb 7, 2023 at 08:14 AM.
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From: WI
Unless they feel their design is "good enough" to handle anything our kind throws at these bikes? I haven't seen enough HPI dynos to really track it
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I would take your new dyno chart with you and show it to the Harley dealer. If they charged you for that tune, I would want a refund. If nothing else, it should make them feel stupid. But maybe they just don't care 🙄. I'm glad you got her running good now. Have fun on your bike, be safe.
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Seems odd that company that bills itself (or perhaps their customers do on their behalf) as the premier exhaust for big power wouldn't sell the ideal exhaust for our bikes lol
Unless they feel their design is "good enough" to handle anything our kind throws at these bikes? I haven't seen enough HPI dynos to really track it
Unless they feel their design is "good enough" to handle anything our kind throws at these bikes? I haven't seen enough HPI dynos to really track it
So much more of this power stuff goes towards baggers in general, but the Softails get neglected a lot.
Even more so us poor 240mm rear tire riders. There's this really wicked Thrashin Supply 2-2 exhaust that I think is absolutely incredible looking and might actually get it... except they don't make one for the Fat Boy, and it's perpetually out of stock.
I mean I get it, tons more people buy baggers and build stuff with them than people get Softails, but when I see something really cool that I may actually wanna get and doesn't fit a Softail/Fat Boy, just bugs me.
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From: Dayton OH
Pretty sure OP or the Harley dealerships problem here was that they used only the SE Pro Street tuner as MoCo dealerships are generally not allowed to use aftermarket tuners. There are no maps for aftermarket cams with the SE Pro tuner. He probably also out of lack of experience made a poor map choice that did not have enough tunability for the cam. In order for a dealership to pull off tuning an aftermarket cam well they would have to also add the SE Smart Tune Pro their wide band tuner which it would generally have been able to make corrections for needed fuel & timing etc. It still has some limitation per EPA requirements for AFR etc but together they could do most stuff pretty well. This dealership or tech should never have taken on the job. When brought to an outside shop it was swapped to an outside tuner so that it could be brought into tune. And why not an outside tuner as warranty was already blown with the aftermarket cam.
Even with just the Pro Street tuner and SE parts.. experience and map selection can make a huge difference. In 2019 when I did my stage 3 107 to 114. I added a Ventilator extreme AC, SE 64TB & intake, and an S&S EPA & warranty compliant pipe to retain my warranty. The dealership builder and experienced tech knew the canned map for my kit would not allow enough tunability. So he chose a 117ci stage 4 map. Its made 118 HP 122 TQ which is far greater than what Moco made with that kit or could have been made from the stage 3 107 to 114 map.
Even with just the Pro Street tuner and SE parts.. experience and map selection can make a huge difference. In 2019 when I did my stage 3 107 to 114. I added a Ventilator extreme AC, SE 64TB & intake, and an S&S EPA & warranty compliant pipe to retain my warranty. The dealership builder and experienced tech knew the canned map for my kit would not allow enough tunability. So he chose a 117ci stage 4 map. Its made 118 HP 122 TQ which is far greater than what Moco made with that kit or could have been made from the stage 3 107 to 114 map.
Last edited by VernDiesel; Feb 7, 2023 at 12:22 PM.
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From: Missouri
HPi kinda seems to only really care about Baggers.
So much more of this power stuff goes towards baggers in general, but the Softails get neglected a lot.
Even more so us poor 240mm rear tire riders. There's this really wicked Thrashin Supply 2-2 exhaust that I think is absolutely incredible looking and might actually get it... except they don't make one for the Fat Boy, and it's perpetually out of stock.
I mean I get it, tons more people buy baggers and build stuff with them than people get Softails, but when I see something really cool that I may actually wanna get and doesn't fit a Softail/Fat Boy, just bugs me.
So much more of this power stuff goes towards baggers in general, but the Softails get neglected a lot.
Even more so us poor 240mm rear tire riders. There's this really wicked Thrashin Supply 2-2 exhaust that I think is absolutely incredible looking and might actually get it... except they don't make one for the Fat Boy, and it's perpetually out of stock.
I mean I get it, tons more people buy baggers and build stuff with them than people get Softails, but when I see something really cool that I may actually wanna get and doesn't fit a Softail/Fat Boy, just bugs me.
what is that is making the OTHER SYSTEMS "NOT" fit the fat boy or fat bob???? Reason i ask, is iam running an exhaust SPEC'd for a fatboy.
i spoke with BASSANI before purchase (Mine was an open box deal), i was informed that the MAIN DIFFERENCE was the shape and routing of the front cylinder head pipe. on the FB's it routes slightly different (farther away from cam chest) due to the forward controls allowing this...on the other softails with mids, it is tighter and slanted more to clear the mid control mounts.
in my case, i did rework the rear mount braket due to being farther way from the swing arm (narrow tire)...in your case, you may need to modify that to be closer. BUT well worth the wait time, if you can have something fabbed, i did mine in a bout 2 hrs. i prefered the fatboy routing, and i since i swapped to forwards, i was ok with fabbing a correct bracket.
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Kind of hijcking the OP's thread here...
what is that is making the OTHER SYSTEMS "NOT" fit the fat boy or fat bob???? Reason i ask, is iam running an exhaust SPEC'd for a fatboy.
i spoke with BASSANI before purchase (Mine was an open box deal), i was informed that the MAIN DIFFERENCE was the shape and routing of the front cylinder head pipe. on the FB's it routes slightly different (farther away from cam chest) due to the forward controls allowing this...on the other softails with mids, it is tighter and slanted more to clear the mid control mounts.
in my case, i did rework the rear mount braket due to being farther way from the swing arm (narrow tire)...in your case, you may need to modify that to be closer. BUT well worth the wait time, if you can have something fabbed, i did mine in a bout 2 hrs. i prefered the fatboy routing, and i since i swapped to forwards, i was ok with fabbing a correct bracket.
what is that is making the OTHER SYSTEMS "NOT" fit the fat boy or fat bob???? Reason i ask, is iam running an exhaust SPEC'd for a fatboy.
i spoke with BASSANI before purchase (Mine was an open box deal), i was informed that the MAIN DIFFERENCE was the shape and routing of the front cylinder head pipe. on the FB's it routes slightly different (farther away from cam chest) due to the forward controls allowing this...on the other softails with mids, it is tighter and slanted more to clear the mid control mounts.
in my case, i did rework the rear mount braket due to being farther way from the swing arm (narrow tire)...in your case, you may need to modify that to be closer. BUT well worth the wait time, if you can have something fabbed, i did mine in a bout 2 hrs. i prefered the fatboy routing, and i since i swapped to forwards, i was ok with fabbing a correct bracket.
there's a difference in length and width that the bracket accommodates for that most other companies don't have enough variation to cover.
It's why the Vance and Hines BigShots dont fit the Fat Boy, and VnH stopped making them for the FLFB a long time ago.
One of the "Chopper" like exhausts I was looking at for my Fat Boy early on was the VnH bigshots with the straight cup caps to replace the slashcut ones.
But it doenst fit the Fat Boy. I don't know why though.
VnH has a new set that has the crossover powerchamber too.
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It's a bracket on the mounting side that makes a lot of these exhausts incompatable with the Fat Boy and Breakout.
there's a difference in length and width that the bracket accommodates for that most other companies don't have enough variation to cover.
It's why the Vance and Hines BigShots dont fit the Fat Boy, and VnH stopped making them for the FLFB a long time ago.
One of the "Chopper" like exhausts I was looking at for my Fat Boy early on was the VnH bigshots with the straight cup caps to replace the slashcut ones.
But it doenst fit the Fat Boy. I don't know why though.
VnH has a new set that has the crossover powerchamber too.
there's a difference in length and width that the bracket accommodates for that most other companies don't have enough variation to cover.
It's why the Vance and Hines BigShots dont fit the Fat Boy, and VnH stopped making them for the FLFB a long time ago.
One of the "Chopper" like exhausts I was looking at for my Fat Boy early on was the VnH bigshots with the straight cup caps to replace the slashcut ones.
But it doenst fit the Fat Boy. I don't know why though.
VnH has a new set that has the crossover powerchamber too.
i agree, the bracket is issue one, the head pipe is the other...if one has mid controls. but the forward control crowd can use either if willing to fab a bracket...to me, that is easy, that is my daily routine.
i knew i was going to forwards, and when i realized the controls issue...i knew i could run either fitment and do a bracket with no issue.
just saying, you may be able to locate a system more easily than belives, and have the proper bracket fabbed up