2024 rumors
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From: France
environmentalists sucks...
here in France they want to set an example for the world, we can no longer drive certain older vehicles in certain cities including bikes...
and where do our old vehicles go? They go to developing countries. It's a vast hypocrisy, just like electric vehicles, which are ultimately more polluting than combustion engines.
here in France they want to set an example for the world, we can no longer drive certain older vehicles in certain cities including bikes...
and where do our old vehicles go? They go to developing countries. It's a vast hypocrisy, just like electric vehicles, which are ultimately more polluting than combustion engines.
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From: Bothell, WA
Wow - I didn't even remember that it was 49 state EPA legal. I've been worried about selling my truck, as my state (MN) makes it illegal to tamper with emissions control components, you have to declare on the title transfer. No problem for private sale, only if you trade-in.
I know this unit is a milder tune than than the custom tunes like PowerVIsion for bikes and HemiFever for Ram trucks. I'm not interested in racing and max tune, and this unit does increase truck torque for towing to the point you got to be careful not to blow the weak tranny. But Harley M8 powertrain seems built like a rock, so guys aren't that impressed with the SE EPA tune and like me, went with PowerVision and a torque cam. EPA illegal.
Maybe more of an issue for bikes?
I know this unit is a milder tune than than the custom tunes like PowerVIsion for bikes and HemiFever for Ram trucks. I'm not interested in racing and max tune, and this unit does increase truck torque for towing to the point you got to be careful not to blow the weak tranny. But Harley M8 powertrain seems built like a rock, so guys aren't that impressed with the SE EPA tune and like me, went with PowerVision and a torque cam. EPA illegal.
Maybe more of an issue for bikes?
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Road Captain
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From: Western Australia
At risk of turning this thread into an Enviro discussion, I suspect the '24 Tourers will likely come with a form of the 121 CVO engine (120, for 120?) to meet future emissions. Softails already have that capability with the EU spec bikes (4 O2 sensors etc), which is interesting as they have the same engine but with a smaller exhaust volume.
I think we may see the VVT rolled out across platforms in preparation for the 2027 implementation of EURO-7 across the USA and the rest of the world. There's been talk of HD's next generation of EV bikes, with SS batteries that work well in existing chassis, but kill me now.
In a nutshell tailpipe emissions and vehicle dynamic safety equipment WILL determine what our new HD's will be like as early as next year, at the latest 2025. Whether they can be modified, and what the implications are in-service (eg how big our fines will be!) are another issue entirely.
I will be buying ECE-legal (stamped) cans for my new FXLRST, as we here in Australia have already had some shade cast on motorcycle exhaust noise, and more to come once all the crappy old 4X4's (you have no idea) are done with by the coppers.
I think we may see the VVT rolled out across platforms in preparation for the 2027 implementation of EURO-7 across the USA and the rest of the world. There's been talk of HD's next generation of EV bikes, with SS batteries that work well in existing chassis, but kill me now.
In a nutshell tailpipe emissions and vehicle dynamic safety equipment WILL determine what our new HD's will be like as early as next year, at the latest 2025. Whether they can be modified, and what the implications are in-service (eg how big our fines will be!) are another issue entirely.
I will be buying ECE-legal (stamped) cans for my new FXLRST, as we here in Australia have already had some shade cast on motorcycle exhaust noise, and more to come once all the crappy old 4X4's (you have no idea) are done with by the coppers.
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From: MN
At risk of turning this thread into an Enviro discussion, I suspect the '24 Tourers will likely come with a form of the 121 CVO engine (120, for 120?) to meet future emissions. Softails already have that capability with the EU spec bikes (4 O2 sensors etc), which is interesting as they have the same engine but with a smaller exhaust volume.
I think we may see the VVT rolled out across platforms in preparation for the 2027 implementation of EURO-7 across the USA and the rest of the world. There's been talk of HD's next generation of EV bikes, with SS batteries that work well in existing chassis, but kill me now.
In a nutshell tailpipe emissions and vehicle dynamic safety equipment WILL determine what our new HD's will be like as early as next year, at the latest 2025. Whether they can be modified, and what the implications are in-service (eg how big our fines will be!) are another issue entirely.
I will be buying ECE-legal (stamped) cans for my new FXLRST, as we here in Australia have already had some shade cast on motorcycle exhaust noise, and more to come once all the crappy old 4X4's (you have no idea) are done with by the coppers.
I think we may see the VVT rolled out across platforms in preparation for the 2027 implementation of EURO-7 across the USA and the rest of the world. There's been talk of HD's next generation of EV bikes, with SS batteries that work well in existing chassis, but kill me now.
In a nutshell tailpipe emissions and vehicle dynamic safety equipment WILL determine what our new HD's will be like as early as next year, at the latest 2025. Whether they can be modified, and what the implications are in-service (eg how big our fines will be!) are another issue entirely.
I will be buying ECE-legal (stamped) cans for my new FXLRST, as we here in Australia have already had some shade cast on motorcycle exhaust noise, and more to come once all the crappy old 4X4's (you have no idea) are done with by the coppers.
Road Captain
Joined: Oct 2019
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From: Western Australia
USA beat you to the punch on noise regs - when I bought my '21 Heritage I thought something was wrong with it, it was so quiet compared to legacy models. Turns out US EPA regulated them to 86 dBA max. avg. @ 23 feet. That's the OSHA threshold for 8 HOURS of continual noise. wtaf? I put a Stage II intake and cam plus slip on exhausts and it's finally a Harley.
4th Gear
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From: Iowa
2024 touring I was told will have the new fairing and bags...dont know what upgrade on ABS could be...you either have it or dont. RDRS is only thing I know of and is already available for another 1100.00. I dont think you need it as harley doesnt have enough power to break the wheels loose anyway LMAO
Road Warrior
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From: Pennsylvania
Exhaust sound is a WHOLE other discussion. Not to hijack this thread...just adding some thoughts. My Rinehart slip-ons, I feel, have been a "band-aid" solution. While just ok on my 19 Heritage, I am wanting more low-end rumble, volume and a sound closer to my 02 WG twin cam. Again, what I feel a real Harley should sound like.
I insisted my wife get V&H slip-ons when she purchased her new 21 Heritage. Her bike sounds awesome at idle and going down the road. We'll see what $3k or $4k does for mine on a stage II cam & headers next year.
Road Warrior
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From: Woodlands, MB, Canada
Will they drop the 107?
Most of the 2023 Cruiser & Touring bikes are 114 or 117. The Softail standard and the Street/Road Glide standards are the only bikes using the 107. It seems that there's extra work (and cost) involved in producing the specific parts for, and having an assembly line for the smaller motor that's only installed on a couple of models.
It would make more sense to drop the 107 and go with the 114 for regular models, the 117 for higher end models, and the 121 for the CVO's.
Most of the 2023 Cruiser & Touring bikes are 114 or 117. The Softail standard and the Street/Road Glide standards are the only bikes using the 107. It seems that there's extra work (and cost) involved in producing the specific parts for, and having an assembly line for the smaller motor that's only installed on a couple of models.
It would make more sense to drop the 107 and go with the 114 for regular models, the 117 for higher end models, and the 121 for the CVO's.
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2024 touring I was told will have the new fairing and bags...dont know what upgrade on ABS could be...you either have it or dont. RDRS is only thing I know of and is already available for another 1100.00. I dont think you need it as harley doesnt have enough power to break the wheels loose anyway LMAO
RDBS is available only on a few of the Softails, not all. Definitely not on the Heritage.
As for not breaking the rear wheel loose, even my TC88 broke free regularly in the conditions I'm often riding in. But, I'm often not enamored of traction controls as they often drop power too much and too abruptlly. Many times I can control the vehicle with the rear tire spinning and keep moving.
In any case, it's a moot point for me. I made my decision and now have a 23.