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Old Apr 14, 2016 | 10:19 PM
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Those speakers are hard to blow with those settings. Check the HU and make sure it's working correctly. If you have another set of 6.5's laying around plug em in and see if you have the same issue.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2016 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
Those speakers are hard to blow with those settings. Check the HU and make sure it's working correctly. If you have another set of 6.5's laying around plug em in and see if you have the same issue.
If they don't read any resistance and show no continuity they are smoked. No getting around it.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 12:20 AM
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Guys, please help me out here. If u turn all ur damn amp settings down, start the sled, turn ur volume to 3/4, then slowly turn your amp gain and other settings up to a max clean setting (minus a slight turn to the left) it should be all good, right?
Far too many guys blowing speakers off of volts, meter settings, what a buddy told me to set, etc and ending up with a yard sale.
The old school ear tuning really should be the baseline for us common folk unless u r tone deaf, then have someone else tune it for u, right.
I'm just a cave man boys, but sometimes that old school shix really does work.
Thoughts????

T.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Tailwind
Guys, please help me out here. If u turn all ur damn amp settings down, start the sled, turn ur volume to 3/4, then slowly turn your amp gain and other settings up to a max clean setting (minus a slight turn to the left) it should be all good, right?
Far too many guys blowing speakers off of volts, meter settings, what a buddy told me to set, etc and ending up with a yard sale.
The old school ear tuning really should be the baseline for us common folk unless u r tone deaf, then have someone else tune it for u, right.
I'm just a cave man boys, but sometimes that old school shix really does work.
Thoughts????

T.
In 20 years I have never used a meter, scope or anything besides my ears. Sure I have blown a few speakers over the years. Everyone does. Front stage I have never taken a set out right away. Over time? Sure a few have not survived. I always strived for sq and was likely conservative than not. Now subs I have blown quite a few of them. Different animal there. It's not rocket science but having a ear to know when to do what and knowing from experience what not to do. And like all mechanical things some error can happen, we are human ,and speakers are mechanical objects. Best advice is known your product, match accordingly, take your time and if things pop, hiss, etc, stop and find the issue. Don't keep driving them and think it's OK. Any good quality head unit will be fine a few clicks below max. The biggest area that makes a motorcycle needing a proper setup is the lack of acoustics with no cabin and running the high volumes that's needed for the music to be audible at high speeds with all the wind and road noise.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by slyedog
If they don't read any resistance and show no continuity they are smoked. No getting around it.
I'm more interested in the root cause of the issue. It's a fairly common thing for one speaker to be defective and blow. But for the other speaker to blow shortly after raises other questions in my mind. I've set those speakers up myself with those same settings, same amp and same HU and they were no where near ready to blow. Time to drill down a little deeper into the issue and find out WHY they are blown.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by slyedog
In 20 years I have never used a meter, scope or anything besides my ears. Sure I have blown a few speakers over the years. Everyone does. Front stage I have never taken a set out right away. Over time? Sure a few have not survived. I always strived for sq and was likely conservative than not. Now subs I have blown quite a few of them. Different animal there. It's not rocket science but having a ear to know when to do what and knowing from experience what not to do. And like all mechanical things some error can happen, we are human ,and speakers are mechanical objects. Best advice is known your product, match accordingly, take your time and if things pop, hiss, etc, stop and find the issue. Don't keep driving them and think it's OK. Any good quality head unit will be fine a few clicks below max. The biggest area that makes a motorcycle needing a proper setup is the lack of acoustics with no cabin and running the high volumes that's needed for the music to be audible at high speeds with all the wind and road noise.
Awesome Slye! Thank you!!!

If u hand me one of those meters or tuning devices, I look exactly like a chicken watching a card trick or the RCA dawg watching TV.

IMHO, **** blows up when big distortion occurs thus that's the only priority for my ears NOT only when trying to dial in the speaks during install but also when to stop twisting the V **** during regular ops.

It will be very interesting to find out why these ARCs blowed up at damn near the same time, as they luv lots of power, just not distortion.

T.
 

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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 06:32 AM
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I bet your avc is on....have you checked that ?...
 
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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tailwind
It will be very interesting to find out why these ARCs blowed up at damn near the same time, as they luv lots of power, just not distortion. T.
I'm betting there's more to the story that's not being told. I'm pretty sure it's been cranked pretty hard and distortion is the culprit. No 2 amp, radio, and speaker combo are the same, even if they're all the same brand. Gains must be set on an individual basis...period.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tailwind
Guys, please help me out here. If u turn all ur damn amp settings down, start the sled, turn ur volume to 3/4, then slowly turn your amp gain and other settings up to a max clean setting (minus a slight turn to the left) it should be all good, right?
Far too many guys blowing speakers off of volts, meter settings, what a buddy told me to set, etc and ending up with a yard sale.
The old school ear tuning really should be the baseline for us common folk unless u r tone deaf, then have someone else tune it for u, right.
I'm just a cave man boys, but sometimes that old school shix really does work.
Thoughts????

T.
T, the thing with using that method on a bike and the difference in a car is that at speed chances are you may not hear the distortion. Especially any distortion coming from 6X9's on a set of lids you can't hardly hear anyways. Think of this scenario which I'm sure if very common --- a guy sets his gains with the bike off at 3/4 volume. Right there I can tell you that with the bike ON at 3/4 volume it will be louder and distort. Then get on the road and rider thinks if I can just get it a little louder I can hear it better and goes past the 3/4 volume....no for sure he's reached distortion and can't hear it. Then add the variable of folks not setting the HPF's to filter out the freqs their 6.5 speakers can't reproduce anyways. There was guy that just posted the other day that said when setting his gains at 5.5 it was too low so he cranked them to 8 and it was nice and loud. No clue as to how any of it worked, just knows that 8 was louder.

Me --- I always use the DD1 now. It's quick and convenient and with the amount of amps that have gone thru my bike and the prices I've paid for some speakers it's a great, quick tool that also serves as my distortion insurance! My headunit goes to 35, I normally set my gains at 33 with the bike off, then never turn them up past 30 while I ride. Normally cruise around 26-28. At 30-31 I'm concerned the bass from my bags will pop them off on the highway. When showing off in a parking lot I still never go past 31 even though 33 is my set threshold. Just say no to distortion, nice clean sound carries. A little method to my madness that I found works for me.

I'm with Gann though, something caused those speakers to cook at the same time.
 

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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by haze324
T, the thing with using that method on a bike and the difference in a car is that at speed chances are you may not hear the distortion. Especially any distortion coming from 6X9's on a set of lids you can't hardly hear anyways. Think of this scenario which I'm sure if very common --- a guy sets his gains with the bike off at 3/4 volume. Right there I can tell you that with the bike ON at 3/4 volume it will be louder and distort. Then get on the road and rider thinks if I can just get it a little louder I can hear it better and goes past the 3/4 volume....no for sure he's reached distortion and can't hear it. Then add the variable of folks not setting the HPF's to filter out the freqs their 6.5 speakers can't reproduce anyways. There was guy that just posted the other day that said when setting his gains at 5.5 it was too low so he cranked them to 8 and it was nice and loud. No clue as to how any of it worked, just knows that 8 was louder.

Me --- I always use the DD1 now. It's quick and convenient and with the amount of amps that have gone thru my bike and the prices I've paid for some speakers it's a great, quick tool that also serves as my distortion insurance! My headunit goes to 35, I normally set my gains at 33 with the bike off, then never turn them up past 30 while I ride. Normally around cruse 26-28. At 30-31 I'm concerned the bass from my bags will pop them off on the highway. When showing off in a parking lot I still never go past 31 even though 33 is my set threshold. Just say no to distortion, nice clean sound carries. A little method to my madness that I found works for me.

I'm with Gann though, something caused those speakers to cook at the same time.
Very awesome guidance Haze!!! Thanks!!!!

T.
 
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