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We try to give advice from experience of doing audio on literally thousands of bikes in over the past 10 years. We did over 100 bikes this year at Sturgis in 10 days of people who heard what the higher end stuff sounds like. We have seen and heard just about everything out there, both sitting still and heading down the road at 80 MPH. In one of your own posts you stated you have only heard the middle of the road speakers from Focal sitting still and they sounded amazing. But can't bring yourself to spend that kind of money on them, even though you didn't ride the bike to see what the sound like at speed. We have filled trash cans of the other more affordable stuff that has either died, or the customer didn't even want to take it home with him.
I know you post on just about every Audio post on the forums, and that's great as you seem to have a fair amount of knowledge, (More than Most). However some people are interested in some stuff you admittedly have never seen or heard nor would spend that kind of money anyway.
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I'm not trying to get in a pissing match with you about Motorcycle Audio.
We try to give advice from experience of doing audio on literally thousands of bikes in over the past 10 years. We did over 100 bikes this year at Sturgis in 10 days of people who heard what the higher end stuff sounds like. We have seen and heard just about everything out there, both sitting still and heading down the road at 80 MPH. In one of your own posts you stated you have only heard the middle of the road speakers from Focal sitting still and they sounded amazing. But can't bring yourself to spend that kind of money on them, even though you didn't ride the bike to see what the sound like at speed. We have filled trash cans of the other more affordable stuff that has either died, or the customer didn't even want to take it home with him.
I know you post on just about every Audio post on the forums, and that's great as you seem to have a fair amount of knowledge, (More than Most). However some people are interested in some stuff you admittedly have never seen or heard nor would spend that kind of money anyway.
We try to give advice from experience of doing audio on literally thousands of bikes in over the past 10 years. We did over 100 bikes this year at Sturgis in 10 days of people who heard what the higher end stuff sounds like. We have seen and heard just about everything out there, both sitting still and heading down the road at 80 MPH. In one of your own posts you stated you have only heard the middle of the road speakers from Focal sitting still and they sounded amazing. But can't bring yourself to spend that kind of money on them, even though you didn't ride the bike to see what the sound like at speed. We have filled trash cans of the other more affordable stuff that has either died, or the customer didn't even want to take it home with him.
I know you post on just about every Audio post on the forums, and that's great as you seem to have a fair amount of knowledge, (More than Most). However some people are interested in some stuff you admittedly have never seen or heard nor would spend that kind of money anyway.
pissing contest sir? Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. You have your experienced opinion, I have my experienced opinion, thats what makes this place and the world so great. My comments, if you re-read the above post were not directed at your product specifically or any product specifically for that matter nor did I interpret your comments to be directed at me. I'm here to do 2 things and that's it; 1.) Provide those folks who don't know how to do this stuff with enough empowerment to know they can handle this on their own without paying a small fortune to do so and 2.) to provide enough knowledgeable information to those same folks so they can make educated decisions based on their budgets.
Let's face it; there are people who are going to take their bikes into a shop such as yours and spend $5000+ on an audio upgrade and not blink an eye about it and that's great. I personally can afford to do the same thing but will I? hell no! The difference is being frugal and having realistic expectations. Why would I pay $500 for something when I can get an equivalent product at 1/2 that price? There are also people who work very hard every day for the $ that this hipocricy of a government allows them to bring home to their families and don't want to spend that kind of $ on something like an audio upgrade but want an audio upgrade. If they do, knock themselves out, to each his own. I'd rather spend $5000 on a trip down to Belize with my smoking hot wife as I'll get a lifetimes worth of benefit out of that compared to some ridiculous motorcycle sound system.
And, you're right sir, I didn't ride the bike (or multiple bikes) that I listened to the Focal audio speakers on nor did the majority of those have ARC amplifiers in them. Most of these bikes were bikes with high-end everything including audio and at a minimum price range of $70k+. Not my kind of bike or my cup of tea although I'll admit they are eye-candy.
The bottom line is this sir;
I'm not telling anyone that anything I suggest is better or is the best, nor am I trying to mislead them into thinking that way. I consider myself an audiophile and I love listening to excellent sounding music regardless of genre, this is simply what sounds the best to me through my years of experience with many different products. I'm also simply providing information on a lesser expensive alternative to these things such as high-priced amps directly marketed to motorcycle enthusiasts that are no better than "quality-equivalent" car audio amplifiers with a moisture resistant coating sprayed on their circuit boards and jacked up 3x the cost. And finally, providing some sort of guidance on how to get all this stuff hooked up properly and I'm doing it FREE of charge.
It's very simple sir; If you don't like the information in my posts, don't read them. No need to get personal about it.
Last edited by UltraNutZ; Dec 17, 2012 at 02:47 PM.
pissing contest sir? Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. You have your experienced opinion, I have my experienced opinion, thats what makes this place and the world so great. My comments, if you re-read the above post were not directed at your product specifically or any product specifically for that matter nor did I interpret your comments to be directed at me. I'm here to do 2 things and that's it; 1.) Provide those folks who don't know how to do this stuff with enough empowerment to know they can handle this on their own without paying a small fortune to do so and 2.) to provide enough knowledgeable information to those same folks so they can make educated decisions based on their budgets.
Let's face it; there are people who are going to take their bikes into a shop such as yours and spend $5000+ on an audio upgrade and not blink an eye about it and that's great. I personally can afford to do the same thing but will I? hell no! The difference is being frugal and having realistic expectations. Why would I pay $500 for something when I can get an equivalent product at 1/2 that price? There are also people who work very hard every day for the $ that this hipocricy of a government allows them to bring home to their families and don't want to spend that kind of $ on something like an audio upgrade but want an audio upgrade. If they do, knock themselves out, to each his own. I'd rather spend $5000 on a trip down to Belize with my smoking hot wife as I'll get a lifetimes worth of benefit out of that compared to some ridiculous motorcycle sound system.
And, you're right sir, I didn't ride the bike (or multiple bikes) that I listened to the Focal audio speakers on nor did the majority of those have ARC amplifiers in them. Most of these bikes were bikes with high-end everything including audio and at a minimum price range of $70k+. Not my kind of bike or my cup of tea although I'll admit they are eye-candy.
The bottom line is this sir;
I'm not telling anyone that anything I suggest is better or is the best, nor am I trying to mislead them into thinking that way. I consider myself an audiophile and I love listening to excellent sounding music regardless of genre, this is simply what sounds the best to me through my years of experience with many different products. I'm also simply providing information on a lesser expensive alternative to these things such as high-priced amps directly marketed to motorcycle enthusiasts that are no better than "quality-equivalent" car audio amplifiers with a moisture resistant coating sprayed on their circuit boards and jacked up 3x the cost. And finally, providing some sort of guidance on how to get all this stuff hooked up properly and I'm doing it FREE of charge.
It's very simply sir; If you don't like the information in my posts, don't read them. No need to get personal about it.
Let's face it; there are people who are going to take their bikes into a shop such as yours and spend $5000+ on an audio upgrade and not blink an eye about it and that's great. I personally can afford to do the same thing but will I? hell no! The difference is being frugal and having realistic expectations. Why would I pay $500 for something when I can get an equivalent product at 1/2 that price? There are also people who work very hard every day for the $ that this hipocricy of a government allows them to bring home to their families and don't want to spend that kind of $ on something like an audio upgrade but want an audio upgrade. If they do, knock themselves out, to each his own. I'd rather spend $5000 on a trip down to Belize with my smoking hot wife as I'll get a lifetimes worth of benefit out of that compared to some ridiculous motorcycle sound system.
And, you're right sir, I didn't ride the bike (or multiple bikes) that I listened to the Focal audio speakers on nor did the majority of those have ARC amplifiers in them. Most of these bikes were bikes with high-end everything including audio and at a minimum price range of $70k+. Not my kind of bike or my cup of tea although I'll admit they are eye-candy.
The bottom line is this sir;
I'm not telling anyone that anything I suggest is better or is the best, nor am I trying to mislead them into thinking that way. I consider myself an audiophile and I love listening to excellent sounding music regardless of genre, this is simply what sounds the best to me through my years of experience with many different products. I'm also simply providing information on a lesser expensive alternative to these things such as high-priced amps directly marketed to motorcycle enthusiasts that are no better than "quality-equivalent" car audio amplifiers with a moisture resistant coating sprayed on their circuit boards and jacked up 3x the cost. And finally, providing some sort of guidance on how to get all this stuff hooked up properly and I'm doing it FREE of charge.
It's very simply sir; If you don't like the information in my posts, don't read them. No need to get personal about it.
I was just trying to let customers know that the cheapest is not always the best, as witnessed in the past by the piles of it we take out. If yours is still working and your happy with it, COOL.
We to do not charge for what info we post here, we even pay as a sponsor.
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My point was 2-fold and I guess you missed it;
1.) there are a LOT of cost effective alternatives that perform well and sound great
2.) my wife is smokin hot! LOL
The funny thing is.. I buy product from DF and will continue to do so. Right now I'm contemplating (waiting on JL Audio XD600/6 amp to arrive to test for fitment) a set of your By Nine Lids. Good price and I like your company. Couple of questions...
1.) do your lids come with this hydrophobic fiber material that supposedly keeps water out?
2.) if so, does it really work or is it just a sales gimmic and also does it affect sound quality?
I would think if someone stuck with a pair of 6x9s that do not have the center stalk for tweeter/mid mount that goes down through the center of the woofer but instead the woofer being a solid piece of material and the tweet/mid being mounted in some other fashion would probably be best served (weather-wise I mean)
1.) there are a LOT of cost effective alternatives that perform well and sound great
2.) my wife is smokin hot! LOL
The funny thing is.. I buy product from DF and will continue to do so. Right now I'm contemplating (waiting on JL Audio XD600/6 amp to arrive to test for fitment) a set of your By Nine Lids. Good price and I like your company. Couple of questions...
1.) do your lids come with this hydrophobic fiber material that supposedly keeps water out?
2.) if so, does it really work or is it just a sales gimmic and also does it affect sound quality?
I would think if someone stuck with a pair of 6x9s that do not have the center stalk for tweeter/mid mount that goes down through the center of the woofer but instead the woofer being a solid piece of material and the tweet/mid being mounted in some other fashion would probably be best served (weather-wise I mean)
Last edited by UltraNutZ; Dec 17, 2012 at 03:16 PM.
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Hmm, interesting thread...! I, for one, agree with most of what UltraNutZ said, except maybe the jab at our government. I proudly pay my taxes, it's the price we must pay to live in this great country. There are, of course, less expensive alternatives to any audio upgrade, and UltraNutZ does a community service with his many informative posts, thanks! That doesn't mean that you shouldn't drop your bike off and have a state of the art system installed, if you can afford it, go for it. I like doing my own installs, and I also like saving money, my research led me to the Polk MM651s over the Focal PC165s, and so far I'm a happy camper. My next upgrade is the PBR300x2 amp, and after that either fairing lower speakers or saddlebag lids. I don't think any saddlebag lid speaker grill cloth will keep out our Florida rain, and I agree that you need a sealed speaker with separately mounted tweeters to avoid water damage. Now if UltraNutZ would just post a picture of the smokin hot wife......................
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anything with a higher rating than G, she'd kill me so here ya go
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vf0xwia58q...Luckenbach.jpg
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anything with a higher rating than G, she'd kill me so here ya go
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ax4zw3gav4dspcl/DSC00496.JPG
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Let me know how it fits in the fairing. I think my best option might be to run all six speakers off a single amp in the fairing. If this can be done... I figure it will make the detachability a bit easier, along with overall installation being simpler.