ABS or Not
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From: New Zealand
You're full of ****. It does not disable your brakes, it pulses them roughly seven times a second, depending on the exact model and system. It will increase your stopping distance if you have spent the many, many hours to master threshold braking on your motorcycle and are stopping on a surface that you know is clean and dry, like a racetrack. If you haven't done that, ABS will stop you faster. And even if you have, one spot of oil and your wheel's locked up.
The idea that a locked wheel will stop you faster than a rolling one is horseshit. You're dealing with two types of friction, static and kinetic. When a tire rolls, rather than slides, you're dealing with static friction between the tire and the asphalt. If it's sliding, you're dealing with kinetic friction. Static friction will make the tire slow down faster. Physics 101?
OP, ABS isn't necessary, but it's good peace of mind. As long as you know how to brake without it, so you don't rely on it, you'll be fine. In a panic situation, it's one less thing to worry about.
The idea that a locked wheel will stop you faster than a rolling one is horseshit. You're dealing with two types of friction, static and kinetic. When a tire rolls, rather than slides, you're dealing with static friction between the tire and the asphalt. If it's sliding, you're dealing with kinetic friction. Static friction will make the tire slow down faster. Physics 101?
OP, ABS isn't necessary, but it's good peace of mind. As long as you know how to brake without it, so you don't rely on it, you'll be fine. In a panic situation, it's one less thing to worry about.
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From: Idaho
if it pulses your brakes that means it's disabling them, which increases stopping distance. Static friction is greater than kinetic, therefore a locked up wheel does produce more friction.. again reducing stopping distance,, that's why the wheel locks up when you hit the brakes hard, because it's producing the maximum braking force possible, which ABS prevents from happening. Your statements are totally ignorant & inaccurate, btw I do have a mechanical engineering degree. I aint that smart, but I know basic physics.
abs does not improve stopping distance, it does the opposite in order to improve vehicle control. these arguments than abs does not increase stopping distance just don't add up, it's impossible,, it's all marketing BS to sale you that $700 option and higher insurance & parts when your in a rear end accident.
abs does not improve stopping distance, it does the opposite in order to improve vehicle control. these arguments than abs does not increase stopping distance just don't add up, it's impossible,, it's all marketing BS to sale you that $700 option and higher insurance & parts when your in a rear end accident.
Congratulations!!!! 
A locked up tire is producing heat which melts the tire which lubricates the friction zone which increases stopping distances.
A locked up front brake and you fall down because you have lost the gyroscope.
A locked up rear brake and you lowside because you are instinctively leaning away from the threat. Unless you let off the brake in the lowside and suddenly learn physics 102, the high side.
A locked up front brake and you fall down because you have lost the gyroscope.
A locked up rear brake and you lowside because you are instinctively leaning away from the threat. Unless you let off the brake in the lowside and suddenly learn physics 102, the high side.
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From: Boise, ID
As was said before ABS increases an EXPERT'S stopping distance but decreases a non expert's (which is most of us) stopping distance. LF if you fall in the first category then you won't be in accidents so.....
The part where you say it causes higher insurance premiums.....? Every insurance company I have ever used gives you a deduction for safety features such as this. The more safety features you have the cheaper my insurance is. Since you get in so many accidents that might be why your premiums are so high....but I don't have a physics degree so what would I know.....
The part where you say it causes higher insurance premiums.....? Every insurance company I have ever used gives you a deduction for safety features such as this. The more safety features you have the cheaper my insurance is. Since you get in so many accidents that might be why your premiums are so high....but I don't have a physics degree so what would I know.....
Last edited by BigDogIdaho; Mar 6, 2015 at 09:44 AM.
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Greetings Bob,
Bob, you're in luck! As fate would have it, today I have been appointed "Swami" Blue Man (you can call me Swami today) and as such am here to answer your question of ABS or not.
Now, I do admit I am only a 2%'er but meaning that only 1% of riders are better than me I do humbly say I am still qualified to render final and all binding judgement on this answer. And although I respect everyone's right to state what they like either not knowing or actually believing wrongly, this is not a debate.
ABS is one of the smartest inventions on bikes for safety and it will greatly increase your odds of surviving out on the roads.
Don't be like the other Rob Lowe, get ABS.
I don't have it on this bike, I was impatient and wanted a charcoal pearl one.
Keep in mind though, I'm a 2%'er, in my own mind and ride accordingly.
The
has spoken.
Bob, you're in luck! As fate would have it, today I have been appointed "Swami" Blue Man (you can call me Swami today) and as such am here to answer your question of ABS or not.
Now, I do admit I am only a 2%'er but meaning that only 1% of riders are better than me I do humbly say I am still qualified to render final and all binding judgement on this answer. And although I respect everyone's right to state what they like either not knowing or actually believing wrongly, this is not a debate.
ABS is one of the smartest inventions on bikes for safety and it will greatly increase your odds of surviving out on the roads.
Don't be like the other Rob Lowe, get ABS.
I don't have it on this bike, I was impatient and wanted a charcoal pearl one.
Keep in mind though, I'm a 2%'er, in my own mind and ride accordingly.
The
has spoken.
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Joined: Feb 2013
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From: Myrtle Beach, SC
Oh Swami. Thanks for imparting your fine wisdom on this discussion topic!
And to the other responders thanks as well. I am very educated now!
Bob
And to the other responders thanks as well. I am very educated now!
Bob
Greetings Bob,
Bob, you're in luck! As fate would have it, today I have been appointed "Swami" Blue Man (you can call me Swami today) and as such am here to answer your question of ABS or not.
Now, I do admit I am only a 2%'er but meaning that only 1% of riders are better than me I do humbly say I am still qualified to render final and all binding judgement on this answer. And although I respect everyone's right to state what they like either not knowing or actually believing wrongly, this is not a debate.
ABS is one of the smartest inventions on bikes for safety and it will greatly increase your odds of surviving out on the roads.
Don't be like the other Rob Lowe, get ABS.
I don't have it on this bike, I was impatient and wanted a charcoal pearl one.
Keep in mind though, I'm a 2%'er, in my own mind and ride accordingly.
The has spoken.
Bob, you're in luck! As fate would have it, today I have been appointed "Swami" Blue Man (you can call me Swami today) and as such am here to answer your question of ABS or not.
Now, I do admit I am only a 2%'er but meaning that only 1% of riders are better than me I do humbly say I am still qualified to render final and all binding judgement on this answer. And although I respect everyone's right to state what they like either not knowing or actually believing wrongly, this is not a debate.
ABS is one of the smartest inventions on bikes for safety and it will greatly increase your odds of surviving out on the roads.
Don't be like the other Rob Lowe, get ABS.
I don't have it on this bike, I was impatient and wanted a charcoal pearl one.
Keep in mind though, I'm a 2%'er, in my own mind and ride accordingly.
The
has spoken.
Road Warrior
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,832
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From: Phoenix
if it pulses your brakes that means it's disabling them, which increases stopping distance. Static friction is greater than kinetic, therefore a locked up wheel does produce more friction.. again reducing stopping distance,, that's why the wheel locks up when you hit the brakes hard, because it's producing the maximum braking force possible, which ABS prevents from happening. Your statements are totally ignorant & inaccurate, btw I do have a mechanical engineering degree. I aint that smart, but I know basic physics.
abs does not improve stopping distance, it does the opposite in order to improve vehicle control. these arguments than abs does not increase stopping distance just don't add up, it's impossible,, it's all marketing BS to sale you that $700 option and higher insurance & parts when your in a rear end accident.
abs does not improve stopping distance, it does the opposite in order to improve vehicle control. these arguments than abs does not increase stopping distance just don't add up, it's impossible,, it's all marketing BS to sale you that $700 option and higher insurance & parts when your in a rear end accident.
EDIT: If you won't accept that, let's take two cars that are exactly the same, except one has ABS and one doesn't. You drive the one without. Lock your wheels up and we'll see who stops first.
Last edited by JustOneDean; Mar 6, 2015 at 12:37 PM.
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Cruiser
Joined: Sep 2014
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From: Central Suffolk, NY
I would bet on the ABS equipped vehicle. I think the point being missed is that once the wheel locks, you're not stopping but rather traveling forward with a locked wheel. I've done this once or twice, and you can maintain control especially if you lock the rear wheel... but you're not stopping...you're still moving forward. ABS prevents the lock-up from occurring so you STOP sooner, in a shorter distance. If you can pump your brakes fast and consistently enough you can achieve similar results.
Road Warrior
Joined: Jun 2012
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From: Phoenix
I would bet on the ABS equipped vehicle. I think the point being missed is that once the wheel locks, you're not stopping but rather traveling forward with a locked wheel. I've done this once or twice, and you can maintain control especially if you lock the rear wheel... but you're not stopping...you're still moving forward. ABS prevents the lock-up from occurring so you STOP sooner, in a shorter distance. If you can pump your brakes fast and consistently enough you can achieve similar results.
