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Old Feb 12, 2021 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Actually stainless steel is the weakest of all the carbon steel bolts
AlloyBoltz claims 170k psi tensile strength for their Arp rear pulley bolt kit, higher than grade 8 (150k). I can't find a shear rating.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Actually stainless steel is the weakest of all the carbon steel bolts. They're actually equal to a plain old carbon steel bolt grade two and cannot be heat treated for higher strength But are the most resistant to weather.... A grade five or grade eight carbon steel bolt is so much stronger in sheer strength... You really shouldn't use stainless... The proper length shouldered grade five or grade eight bolt will be more than sufficient...
what if my stainless arp bolts are rated grade 8?
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 08:54 AM
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Generally the sheer stress load of a bolt is 60% of its tensile strength the following chart should explain it all..
I'm not familiar with ARP bolts but will do my research..

 
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Found this video on ARP bolt manufacturing pretty interesting...Also on my research I found out that the ARP bolts are superior to grade 8 actually at 170000 lb tensile strength.. interesting...

 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Generally the sheer stress load of a bolt is 60% of its tensile strength..
If that is true in this case, then the shear strength would also exceed Grade 8 specs.

(Duh, I guess that's obvious... Sorry!)
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 10:06 AM
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Yes.. or you can call ARP in california...
 
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Old Feb 13, 2021 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Found this video on ARP bolt manufacturing pretty interesting...Also on my research I found out that the ARP bolts are superior to grade 8 actually at 170000 lb tensile strength.. interesting...

https://youtu.be/rwz19dt_5UE
that explains why arp is one of the biggest and well known bolt manufacturers in the automotive world. So yeah, I will keep using my stainless arp bolts on my bike.
 
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Many of you said not to go with aluminum sprockets if I converted to chain drive. No one gave any opinions on this Speed King Cycles set up which has another plate that bolts onto the rear sprocket to add some extra strength in order to prevent the bolts from being sheered off https://www.speed-kingscycle.com/col...19041767456866 Right now I have a PM rear pulley with the stock width belt. Some said they still prefer a belt over a chain even with a 124. What are your thoughts on changing out the rear pully to a wider pully so that a 1 1/2 inch belt could be used? I saw some posts in other areas that said a 1 1/2 inch belt was much stronger than my stock belt. There were mixed reviews on which brand to use. Anyone here have any knowledge on a good strong 1 1/2 inch belt brand? And regarding stainless pulleys what do you recommend as well
 

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Old Feb 28, 2021 | 06:35 PM
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Many of you said not to go with aluminum sprockets if I converted to chain drive. No one gave any opinions on this Speed King Cycles set up which has another plate that bolts onto the rear sprocket to add some extra strength in order to prevent the bolts from being sheered off https://www.speed-kingscycle.com/col...19041767456866 Right now I have a PM rear pulley with the stock width belt. Some said they still prefer a belt over a chain even with a 124. What are your thoughts on changing out the rear pully to a wider pully so that a 1 1/2 inch belt could be used? I saw some posts in other areas that said a 1 1/2 inch belt was much stronger than my stock belt. There were mixed reviews on which brand to use. Anyone here have any knowledge on a good strong 1 1/2 inch belt brand? And regarding stainless pulleys what do you recommend as well
Sorry bro, but I think you are over-thinking this. I believe you stated (sorry so many different posts on this subject) that you don't wheelie or do burn-outs, so a stock 1-1/8" belt is going to be fine. If you go chain, if you want aluminum for light-weight and most hp to rear wheel, PBI sprockets are the way to go. For the best of both worlds, longevity and a little more weight, Supersprox sprockets. For pulleys, stock is the best. You definitely don't want SS pulleys, they would weight a ton.

As far as the bolt locks and all that extra weight, see how it is correctly done just with bolts here:

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/dyna-...y-bolts-4.html

Even though the above is for pulley bolts, the same applies for chain sprockets.

Hope that helps,

Dave
 
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Old Feb 28, 2021 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TOE_CUTTER
Sorry bro, but I think you are over-thinking this. I believe you stated (sorry so many different posts on this subject) that you don't wheelie or do burn-outs, so a stock 1-1/8" belt is going to be fine. If you go chain, if you want aluminum for light-weight and most hp to rear wheel, PBI sprockets are the way to go. For the best of both worlds, longevity and a little more weight, Supersprox sprockets. For pulleys, stock is the best. You definitely don't want SS pulleys, they would weight a ton.

As far as the bolt locks and all that extra weight, see how it is correctly done just with bolts here:

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/dyna-...y-bolts-4.html

Even though the above is for pulley bolts, the same applies for chain sprockets.

Hope that helps,

Dave
I second this, ran stock pulley +belt and then aluminum pbi sprocket( converted to zx10r wheelset) with no problems. I recommend staying with belt personally on my 124. Also agree on safety wiring bolt heads instead of other locking systems.
 
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