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Old Jan 21, 2021 | 12:58 PM
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I recently bought a custom bike built on a kenny boyce fxr frame. The guy that had the bike built, never registered it or rode it. It sat in the foyer of his Atlanta mansion as a showpiece for 22 years until he passed away recently.
Would he have rec'd a title with the frame?




 
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Frames usually come with a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO). First question would be manufacturer of the frame, is Kenny still around? Does his shop still exist?. If the bike was never registered and just used as art, they probably never went thru the trouble to title the bike. As you bought it complete from an estate, that receipt should be enough to begin the conversation with DMV.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2021 | 01:11 PM
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Frames usually come with a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO). First question would be manufacturer of the frame, is Kenny still around? Does his shop still exist?. If the bike was never registered and just used as art, they probably never went thru the trouble to title the bike. As you bought it complete from an estate, that receipt should be enough to begin the conversation with DMV.
Thanks. Kenny boyce doesn't seem to be around any more. His last FB post was 6 years ago and his phone that's listed on the web seems to not be working. I doubt they ever bothered getting a Ga title for it since it wasn't going to be ridden.
I'm going to make a run to the DMV I guess.
 
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Titles only come from the DMV.......
 
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Old Jan 21, 2021 | 01:28 PM
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Titles only come from the DMV.......
So the MSO comes from the frame maker and when the bike is registered, the MSO is handed over to the DMV in exchange for a title. I didn't even get an MSO. The DMV is probably gonna laugh me out the door.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2021 | 01:32 PM
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Should be a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin. That is the start point to trying to title the build. In your case you first need to have what numbers are on it run and see if it was ever done. This could get real interesting keep us posted on the journey.
Good luck with this. GA use to be pretty easy to shuffle titles around. But that was a life time ago.
Each state may be different but this is generally how it goes.
You take MSO then do States paper work along with any fees and apply of Title.
They may or may not require an inspection.
If a long period of time has gone by from time the MSO was issued and you apply for title . Question will be ask as to why it was not titled sooner.
In some case they may try to collect back registration fees. That can be over come with proof it was never operated on public roads.
once they are happy you get your title. In your case not having the MSO could muddy it up.
 

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Old Jan 21, 2021 | 01:50 PM
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The dmv webpage states that I will need a "certificate of inspection" signed by a law enforcement agent. So, I have a sheriff coming over now to do that and then I'll make a run to the DMV and see what happens. I still think I may need an MSO but we'll see.
The executor of the previous owners estate is Bank of america. They're impossible to reach now during covid and would likely give 2 shats about a motorcycle title anyway.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2021 | 03:06 PM
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Cop says frame vin comes back as being from Kentucky (maybe Kenny Boyce sold frames from Kentucky back in 1998?) and shows bike was never registered or titled in Ga. It's NOT STOLEN. That's hopefully gonna be all the DMV cares about.


 
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The police doing the background check is great. I would go to DMV with my auction receipt and tell the truth. Nothing you are doing is sketchy, so don't act sketchy. You have a legitimate story and all they want is for you to pay the taxes, registration fee etc. Not making the state any money sitting in your living room.

When I titled my 1946 WL, NYS required a couple of pictures of the bike plus one of the VIN on the motor. At one point they wanted a rubbing of the VIN, but they dropped that request. I had paperwork from previous owner proving his ownership for the previous 20 years and a statement of where he bought it. Then they had a specific DMV form they wanted him to fill out, I mailed to to him, he mailed it back to me signed. That was all they needed. On my second trip I got a temporary Registration and plate, then all my paperwork went to Albany for a thorough review. In about 60 days I got a Transferable Registration (Title in NYS for antiques) and have been good ever since.

Bring as much paperwork as you have, and be nice. If they are willing to work with you, but it takes a couple of trips to DMV, just go along. They should know what they need to get you titled, good luck.
 
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Originally Posted by d0n
Cop says frame vin comes back as being from Kentucky (maybe Kenny Boyce sold frames from Kentucky back in 1998?) and shows bike was never registered or titled in Ga. It's NOT STOLEN. That's hopefully gonna be all the DMV cares about.
Thank God it didn't come back as stolen as the cop would have impounded the bike on the spot and that would have opened up a whole new can of worms.
 
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