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From: poway
Absolutely.. When my 131 sumped, it felt like it was dragging and anchor...
BTW it's not good on the motor to run it that hard when sumping.
I'd wonder if it's possible but if running a stock oil pump, could the ge rotors be swapped?
When pulling down for checking the pump, double check the external marks. If they are off you'll see it.. It won't be the inner cam timing as the CCPs 220/220 are the same.
BTW it's not good on the motor to run it that hard when sumping.
I'd wonder if it's possible but if running a stock oil pump, could the ge rotors be swapped?
When pulling down for checking the pump, double check the external marks. If they are off you'll see it.. It won't be the inner cam timing as the CCPs 220/220 are the same.
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From: Unreconstructed
The CCP calculators say about 197 with the 32 degree intake close..
I don't have a TC 103 manual but I'd suspect that 175 is a cool / cold CCP.
One thing that should happen riding that way would be very high oil temps if run for any period of time..
What did the dyno guy say?
I don't have a TC 103 manual but I'd suspect that 175 is a cool / cold CCP.
One thing that should happen riding that way would be very high oil temps if run for any period of time..
What did the dyno guy say?
The master tech who did the dyno said "something is wrong with either the tune or the engine, don't ride it, We're booking out over a month."
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From: Unreconstructed
Absolutely.. When my 131 sumped, it felt like it was dragging and anchor...
BTW it's not good on the motor to run it that hard when sumping.
I'd wonder if it's possible but if running a stock oil pump, could the ge rotors be swapped?
When pulling down for checking the pump, double check the external marks. If they are off you'll see it.. It won't be the inner cam timing as the CCPs 22
0/220 are the same.
BTW it's not good on the motor to run it that hard when sumping.
I'd wonder if it's possible but if running a stock oil pump, could the ge rotors be swapped?
When pulling down for checking the pump, double check the external marks. If they are off you'll see it.. It won't be the inner cam timing as the CCPs 22
0/220 are the same.
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There is a drain plug on the bottom of the case.. I would pull it and see how much oil your getting in there.. The cam chest will also hold a little bit but that's nothing to worry about. And yes it's a good possibility that the oil pump did not seat properly into the case or the scavenge side where the O-rings is..
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From: Poolville
The CCP calculators say about 197 with the 32 degree intake close..
I don't have a TC 103 manual but I'd suspect that 175 is a cool / cold CCP.
One thing that should happen riding that way would be very high oil temps if run for any period of time..
What did the dyno guy say?
I don't have a TC 103 manual but I'd suspect that 175 is a cool / cold CCP.
One thing that should happen riding that way would be very high oil temps if run for any period of time..
What did the dyno guy say?
A stock 103 comes out with 9.6:1 compression with a 34° IVC. He only went to a 32° IVC.. So if anything he might have picked up to 9.7..... He didn't change the head gaskets nothing, no cylinder heads no nothing.. So there's no way he's going to have 220 psi cranking pressure unless the cams are off to the crank... And yes with both cylinders being equal, I would say the cams are on to each other..
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From: poway
I would like to know what calculator your using..
A stock 103 comes out with 9.6:1 compression with a 34° IVC. He only went to a 32° IVC.. So if anything he might have picked up to 9.7..... He didn't change the head gaskets nothing, no cylinder heads no nothing.. So there's no way he's going to have 220 psi cranking pressure unless the cams are off to the crank... And yes with both cylinders being equal, I would say the cams are on to each other..
A stock 103 comes out with 9.6:1 compression with a 34° IVC. He only went to a 32° IVC.. So if anything he might have picked up to 9.7..... He didn't change the head gaskets nothing, no cylinder heads no nothing.. So there's no way he's going to have 220 psi cranking pressure unless the cams are off to the crank... And yes with both cylinders being equal, I would say the cams are on to each other..
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From: poway
There is a drain plug on the bottom of the case.. I would pull it and see how much oil your getting in there.. The cam chest will also hold a little bit but that's nothing to worry about. And yes it's a good possibility that the oil pump did not seat properly into the case or the scavenge side where the O-rings is..
BTW, I don't know if it's possible but with the pressure the OP is reading, I'd wonder if he somehow managed to swap feed and scavenge gerotors.
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From: Unreconstructed
Oil pump didn't get removed from the cam plate, came out as one unit and went back in that way...all still MoCo original.
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From: Unreconstructed
Sounds like I'll have to depend on the quantity of oil out of the pan to determine if anything is trapped on the crank side of the case?
- Get it up to operating temperature.
- drain oil from the pan to get a measurement.
- crack the cam chest, check timing, O-rings, etc.
- refill with oil equal to what came out of the pan so as to not overfill.
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From: poway
Ahh yes,, The flat rate trick the comes back to haunt.