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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 02:25 AM
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Welcome to my world. But O think you are correct with the use of the bottom half as the rebuild and then the use of the original.top half to finish it into a carburated model Once I get it back together it will be interesting to see what type of performance I'll get out of the engine combo. Guess I'll see what Harley has to say about it once it is together.

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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 08:28 AM
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Would a 2002 CVO not have a 5 speed transmission?
This appears to have the complete powetrain from a 09 including the 6 speed.
then the black 110 heads on silver cases, may or may not have 110 pistons but you would have to take it apart to tell.
 
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I have to wonder if when they did the engine swap, they took the SE heads off the OEM motor and bolted them onto the 09/96"er. The only way to really find out is if you take a head off.

Edited: Also, according to this video, the cylinder heads color should have matched the engine, and they do not.. The guy in the Video from Kaplan cycles, is extremely knowledgeable.

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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 08:58 AM
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According to the frame vin, 1HD1PEV
FXDWG3, twin cam 88, carb.
If I remenber correctly the 96 jugs can only be bored to 107.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hattitude
The EIN (engine identification number) is the "GM49305475" number on the left side of the engine, between the base of the cylinders on the engine case.

"GM" = model - FXDI (Super Glide)
"4" = engine code - 1584 ESPFI (96" EFI)
"9" = date code - 2009
"305474" = last 6 digits on the VIN the frame the engine was shipped from the factory in.
Sorry I didn't see your post. I guess I was still looking at owners manuals / parts manuals trying to find the right info for that engine number.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullcircle
Would a 2002 CVO not have a 5 speed transmission?
This appears to have the complete powetrain from a 09 including the 6 speed.
then the black 110 heads on silver cases, may or may not have 110 pistons but you would have to take it apart to tell.
Yes the 2002 CVO came with a 5 speed. My guess is that when the bike was repowered they used the new bottom end and married it to parts of the original top end.

I would venture to say that the SE110 heads are the originals. It does not make sense to repower the lower half and not the upper half if there was damage to the sleeves, or other parts on the upper half.

So it appears its a 09 lower half gear box with a 6 speed married to an upper half 02 CVO engine with the SE 110 heads and remainder of the 02 original upper half. Would that still make it a 88" or a 96"? It would be a 96" because of the crank and pistons.....?

So a 2002 FXDWG3 CVO SE with the 2009 lower half with the six speed tyranny and the 2002 original upper half.
 

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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
I have to wonder if when they did the engine swap, they took the SE heads off the OEM motor and bolted them onto the 09/96"er. The only way to really find out is if you take a head off.

Edited: Also, according to this video, the cylinder heads color should have matched the engine, and they do not.. The guy in the Video from Kaplan cycles, is extremely knowledgeable.

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I think that's exactly what they did. If there was damage to any of the upper half engine parts it would have been less expensive to replace the entire power plant then piece meal it back together. Of course the full power plant is a ESPFI engine and none of the bike is set up for the electronics of a ESPFI.

The engin/head colors were specific to the CVO models at the time. Silver lower half and either Black or Chrome Colored upper half. The two models that year were Black w/Silver-Black, Blue w/Silver-Chrome Color.

I obviously have the Black-Silver-Black. Each model came with about $8K of upgrades over the standard rides. Chrome everywhere, ostriches seats, SS braided lines, special paint and decalling, etc etc etc. Also there are many restricted sale parts. Like the decalling on the fenders and gas tank
...you cant get replacements unless you surrender the old ones and you will POTA if you can find the part now.

I'm looking for the original battery cover in Black. Hell I'll take it in pink and paint it if I have to. The original is no longer available and Harley Parts wants $80 for a Chrome not even close look a like that is actually worth about $2.50. But it says Harley just like because it says Corvette you are gonna pay 6 times what it is worth.
 

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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 04:59 PM
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FYI:

The standard engine was a stock TC-88, same as a regular Dyna.

HARLEY-DAVIDSON’S CVO PROGRAM TAKES THE DYNA WIDE GLIDE TO ITS ABSOLUTE EXTREME WITH THE NEW FXDWG3



MILWAUKEE, WI (July 12, 2001) - What do you get if you take a Dyna Wide Glide and stock it ‘til it’s black and blue? You get the latest creation from Harley-Davidson’s Custom Vehicle Operations (CVO) Program — the FXDWG3.

Built on the framework of a Dyna Wide Glide, the FXDWG3 includes accessories you can only find on a Harley-Davidson CVO motorcycle. These custom features include a chrome fuel tank console created specifically for the CVO bike by Willie G; a custom leather and ostrich seat and pillion; chrome floating brake rotors and a lowered front and rear suspension.





2002 Dyna Wide Glide FXDWG3



The custom paint work exemplifies the phrase “less is more” and couples the rich luster of its color-matched frame with hot-rod style flames that stretch across the fairing, tank and back fender. The FXDWG3 will be produced in two custom color schemes, but a total of no more than 2000 of these custom models will be manufactured. Riders can choose between:



Navy Blue Pearl with Silver Leaf Flames with Grey Leather and Ostrich Seat

or

Vivid Black with Gold Leaf Flames with Black Leather and Ostrich Seat



The FXDWG3 incorporates all of the Dyna Wide Glide model updates for model year 2002, including the 150mm rear tire. In addition to the 1450cc Twin Cam 88 engine, the standard features are as follows:

Color-Matched Frame, Chin Fairing and Headlight Fairing

Color-Matched Battery Cover and Electrical and Coil Covers

1450cc Twin Cam 88 Powertrain finished in Silver and Chrome

Low Profile Rear Shocks with Chrome Cups

Lowered Chrome Front Fork Assembly with Chrome Billet Fork Dust Seal Covers and Chrome Sliders

Chrome LightningStar Custom Wheels

LightningStar Rear Belt Sprocket

Teardrop Floating Brake Rotors (front & rear)

Silver Brake Calipers (front & rear)

Chrome Handlebars

Chrome Brake and Clutch Levers

Chrome Switch Housings

Rear Axle Tensioner Chrome Covers

Billet-style Wide-band Handgrips, Foot Pegs, Chrome Billet Brake Pedal Pad and Shifter Peg

Chrome Billet-style Brake and Shifter Levers with Chrome Mounting Brackets

Chrome Billet Shift Linkage

Chrome Billet Twin Cam 88 Mirrors

Chrome Left-hand Passenger Foot Peg Support

Braided Stainless Steel Clutch, Idle and Throttle Control Cables

Coated, Braided Stainless Steel Brake Lines (front & rear)

Chrome Front Axle Nut Cover Kit

Chrome Voltage Regulator

Chrome Lower Belt Guard

Chrome Oil Filter Mount and Chrome Dipstick

Upper Fork Nut Cover Kit

Polished Stainless Steel Rear Brake Rod

Rolled–back Front Fender

Chrome Full-Length Custom Fuel Tank Console with Silver Speedometer Gauge Face

Bullet Turn Signals

Chrome Swingarm

Slash Cut Mufflers with Full Muffler Shields

Custom Indoor Storage Cover

Leather Seat and Pillion featuring Genuine Ostrich Inserts

Air Cleaner, Timer and Derby Covers with Color-Matched “Harley-Davidson” Lettering

H-D Factory Security System with Alarm Siren

Suggested U.S. retail for the FXDWG3 is $22,995 ($23,285 in California).

Harley-Davidson’s CVO program, which created the enormously successful Custom FXR line and the Screamin’ Eagle Road Glide, was established in order to test Harley-Davidson’s ability to produce highly customized and accessorized, low-volume, niche motorcycles. The overwhelming success of these elite custom lines has proven that Harley-Davidson’s CVO program is second to none.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2025 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Aged Rider
Yes the 2002 CVO came with a 5 speed. My guess is that when the bike was repowered they used the new bottom end and married it to parts of the original top end.

I would venture to say that the SE110 heads are the originals. It does not make sense to repower the lower half and not the upper half if there was damage to the sleeves, or other parts on the upper half.

So it appears its a 09 lower half gear box with a 6 speed married to an upper half 02 CVO engine with the SE 110 heads and remainder of the 02 original upper half. Would that still make it a 88" or a 96"? It would be a 96" because of the crank and pistons.....?

So a 2002 FXDWG3 CVO SE with the 2009 lower half with the six speed tyranny and the 2002 original upper half.
You have a complete 09 drivetrain, lower end, primary and tranny in your wide glide. I'd expect that you order parts for the 09 if you need to replace anything there. SE110 heads did not exist until 2007. I doubt its a 110 SE motor, The number says 2009 FXD. These motors were blond also..

I'd expect that if you were to pull the motor apart you might find aftermarket cams, pistons in it..

What do you need for parts? How does the bike run?
 
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
You have a complete 09 drivetrain, lower end, primary and tranny in your wide glide. I'd expect that you order parts for the 09 if you need to replace anything there. SE110 heads did not exist until 2007. I doubt its a 110 SE motor, The number says 2009 FXD. These motors were blond also..

I'd expect that if you were to pull the motor apart you might find aftermarket cams, pistons in it..

What do you need for parts? How does the bike run?
I apologize for taking so long to respond. Life does not stop when I want to converse here. Anyways, I agree that's it a 09 drivetrain, primary, lower end, and tranny. Unless I get into the internals most of the 2002 and 2009 parts are the same. I know the engine is not a S&S but the badging definitely says SE110. I guess the only way to find out is to pull a head. I'll probably pull one of the head covers to see whats on top and if this engine has mechanical roller lifters I should be able to get a rough estimate of what size cam lobes are in there. I really don't want to pull a head off as the engine runs great so why screw with what's not broken. Pulling the motor apart for a "just to see" is beyond the scope of what I want to do right now.

As for parts, I replaced the ape hangers as well as the 42" fork tubes and returned them to factory specs. I am having a hell of a time trying to find info on the stearing head. The bearings are in bad shape because the modifier did not pack them properly, used the wrong grease. The races are shot. A number of flat spots on both the upper and lower races so I'll have to replace those. As far as the steering head/triple tree, all I can find on it is a AXL stamp with the number 7. The AXL is one design with the A on top, the X in the middle using one of the A legs, and the L is on the bottom also using one of the X legs to make the L. Otherwise than that, I can't for the life of me find the manufacturer. Also the steering head connecting bolt - the top threads into the top triple tree and the bottom threads have been cross threaded. Someone tried to fit the fork lock to the bolt and ground the bolt taking a good sized chunk out of it. I have to replace it but it looks like I'll have to manufacture a duplicate. Easy enough to do on my bench top lathe.

I need to replace the gas tank gecause the previous dumped the bike putting a wicked dent into the left side which messed with the float on the gas gauge. I have a new tank.

As I said, I am going to replace the fork tubes to factory but am going to put the sliders from the 42" tubes. Its chrome vs aluminum and the chrome won out. I really like the sliders from the extended fork.

I also have to redo the wheels as the chrome is shot. So I'm thinking of powder coating the triple tree front and rear wheels' and gas tank.

I also need to replace the 5 SS weaved cables. The two throttle, front brake, rear brake, and clutch.

When I removed the ape hangers I found that one of the Kuryakyn hand grips is bent and one is missing the end cap. The wiring for the switch controls is all screwed up with 18 awg mixed with 16 awg wire. Colors don't match so I'll be rewiring that. The front brake light switch seal is gone so I will be putting in a new brake light switch.

One of the rear turn signals is missing. Another replacement.

I may replace the forward controllers. Hate to loose the originals but I have not really given that much thought as of yet.

Ill be busy for at least a couple of weeks. Hate to loose the riding time here in Florida as the weather is supposed to be ideal the next two weeks.

Mostly cosmetic things.

Most of it is cosmetic and really nothing motor or trany or primary caused issues.

 

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