Just for the record, re: heated grips
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Just for the record, re: heated grips
Every damned heated grip setup that harley sells, is clearly described as being "incompatible with internally wired handlebars". In addition, every parts counter man, and the tech I spoke with at our local "dealership" today, also informed me, with an enthusiasm akin only to that of a bobblehead doll on the hood of a mack truck traveling the alaskan highway, that "nope, no way those are gonna work, no room for the wiring, sorry dude".
Bullshit. I picked a number, plopped down my money, and spun the wheel. Several hours later, with a minimum amount of aggravation, everything is installed, routed, wire tied, wrapped protected, out of the way, and every bit of it is internally wired in the handle bars along with everything else, and works perfectly.
This reminds me of my quick detach saddlebags that harley said wouldn't fit the wide glide either.
Bullshit. I picked a number, plopped down my money, and spun the wheel. Several hours later, with a minimum amount of aggravation, everything is installed, routed, wire tied, wrapped protected, out of the way, and every bit of it is internally wired in the handle bars along with everything else, and works perfectly.
This reminds me of my quick detach saddlebags that harley said wouldn't fit the wide glide either.
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just be careful. the reasonit say that is: the heating element inside the grips will get hot,the heat will go through the handlebars, slowly cooking the wires(even if the outside is cold). aftertime, not saying tomorrow but over time, the heatwill slowly dryrott or cookthe plastic coating off the wires. thenthe coatingwill tend to break off the wiring, causing a short or failure. but not sure how long or if it will, but i have worked with wiring and heating elements before and thats what i have observed with the wiring. you can also coat your wires with a heat resisted ceramic coating. espically the ends of the wiringclose to the grips.jackyl
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RE: Just for the record, re: heated grips
Are you saying that the wires inside the bars get hot??
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ORIGINAL: jackyl
just be careful. the reasonit say that is: the heating element inside the grips will get hot,the heat will go through the handlebars, slowly cooking the wires(even if the outside is cold). aftertime, not saying tomorrow but over time, the heatwill slowly dryrott or cookthe plastic coating off the wires. thenthe coatingwill tend to break off the wiring, causing a short or failure. but not sure how long or if it will, but i have worked with wiring and heating elements before and thats what i have observed with the wiring. you can also coat your wires with a heat resisted ceramic coating. espically the ends of the wiringclose to the grips.jackyl
just be careful. the reasonit say that is: the heating element inside the grips will get hot,the heat will go through the handlebars, slowly cooking the wires(even if the outside is cold). aftertime, not saying tomorrow but over time, the heatwill slowly dryrott or cookthe plastic coating off the wires. thenthe coatingwill tend to break off the wiring, causing a short or failure. but not sure how long or if it will, but i have worked with wiring and heating elements before and thats what i have observed with the wiring. you can also coat your wires with a heat resisted ceramic coating. espically the ends of the wiringclose to the grips.jackyl
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RE: Just for the record, re: heated grips
ORIGINAL: jackyl
just be careful. the reasonit say that is: the heating element inside the grips will get hot,the heat will go through the handlebars, slowly cooking the wires(even if the outside is cold). aftertime, not saying tomorrow but over time, the heatwill slowly dryrott or cookthe plastic coating off the wires. thenthe coatingwill tend to break off the wiring, causing a short or failure. but not sure how long or if it will, but i have worked with wiring and heating elements before and thats what i have observed with the wiring. you can also coat your wires with a heat resisted ceramic coating. espically the ends of the wiringclose to the grips.jackyl
just be careful. the reasonit say that is: the heating element inside the grips will get hot,the heat will go through the handlebars, slowly cooking the wires(even if the outside is cold). aftertime, not saying tomorrow but over time, the heatwill slowly dryrott or cookthe plastic coating off the wires. thenthe coatingwill tend to break off the wiring, causing a short or failure. but not sure how long or if it will, but i have worked with wiring and heating elements before and thats what i have observed with the wiring. you can also coat your wires with a heat resisted ceramic coating. espically the ends of the wiringclose to the grips.jackyl
I had thought of that, but upon inspection, the wires used with heated grips are just plain old wire and sheathing, no special insulation, nothing. So there would have to be concern of shorting either way, with or without other internal wiring in there. Being curious about how hot those bars would actully get, I let the grips run for about 25 minutes in the shop, ambient temp 70 degrees, no wind to cool the bars down, and after the 25 minutes, the bars were maybe mildly warm, at best. More than an inch from the grips, and there was no noticeable difference from ambient whatsoever.
Besides that, think about when you're gonna be using heated grips. In cold weather, blasting into the wind. Those wires in there aren't gonna get any hotter than the wiring under the hood of your truck, certainly, positively not any hotter than all the wiring crap in there between your jugs going to all your sensors and other crap in there.
Lastly of course, the worst case scenario is a plethora of blown fuses five or ten years or longer down the road. Considering harleys poor record concerning the longevity of their heated grips, I suspect that the grips will quit working long before any wiring gets fried, and if there were any issues with the "cooking" of the wires in there they would be found when the grips are replaced.
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RE: Just for the record, re: heated grips
Ive been running mine through the bars for two years now with no problems. Im not using the hd ones however but rather the hotgrips variety cuz i like em to work!
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ORIGINAL: Rapture Rider
Ive been running mine through the bars for two years now with no problems. Im not using the hd ones however but rather the hotgrips variety cuz i like em to work!
Ive been running mine through the bars for two years now with no problems. Im not using the hd ones however but rather the hotgrips variety cuz i like em to work!
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RE: Just for the record, re: heated grips
if the wiring on the grips are just plain regular hook up wire, with no heat resistent coating. then it should be fine then. i figured the wire from the grips would have been coated. jackyl
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ORIGINAL: Psycho
I had thought of that, but upon inspection, the wires used with heated grips are just plain old wire and sheathing, no special insulation, nothing. So there would have to be concern of shorting either way, with or without other internal wiring in there. Being curious about how hot those bars would actully get, I let the grips run for about 25 minutes in the shop, ambient temp 70 degrees, no wind to cool the bars down, and after the 25 minutes, the bars were maybe mildly warm, at best. More than an inch from the grips, and there was no noticeable difference from ambient whatsoever.
Besides that, think about when you're gonna be using heated grips. In cold weather, blasting into the wind. Those wires in there aren't gonna get any hotter than the wiring under the hood of your truck, certainly, positively not any hotter than all the wiring crap in there between your jugs going to all your sensors and other crap in there.
Lastly of course, the worst case scenario is a plethora of blown fuses five or ten years or longer down the road. Considering harleys poor record concerning the longevity of their heated grips, I suspect that the grips will quit working long before any wiring gets fried, and if there were any issues with the "cooking" of the wires in there they would be found when the grips are replaced.
ORIGINAL: jackyl
just be careful. the reasonit say that is: the heating element inside the grips will get hot,the heat will go through the handlebars, slowly cooking the wires(even if the outside is cold). aftertime, not saying tomorrow but over time, the heatwill slowly dryrott or cookthe plastic coating off the wires. thenthe coatingwill tend to break off the wiring, causing a short or failure. but not sure how long or if it will, but i have worked with wiring and heating elements before and thats what i have observed with the wiring. you can also coat your wires with a heat resisted ceramic coating. espically the ends of the wiringclose to the grips.jackyl
just be careful. the reasonit say that is: the heating element inside the grips will get hot,the heat will go through the handlebars, slowly cooking the wires(even if the outside is cold). aftertime, not saying tomorrow but over time, the heatwill slowly dryrott or cookthe plastic coating off the wires. thenthe coatingwill tend to break off the wiring, causing a short or failure. but not sure how long or if it will, but i have worked with wiring and heating elements before and thats what i have observed with the wiring. you can also coat your wires with a heat resisted ceramic coating. espically the ends of the wiringclose to the grips.jackyl
I had thought of that, but upon inspection, the wires used with heated grips are just plain old wire and sheathing, no special insulation, nothing. So there would have to be concern of shorting either way, with or without other internal wiring in there. Being curious about how hot those bars would actully get, I let the grips run for about 25 minutes in the shop, ambient temp 70 degrees, no wind to cool the bars down, and after the 25 minutes, the bars were maybe mildly warm, at best. More than an inch from the grips, and there was no noticeable difference from ambient whatsoever.
Besides that, think about when you're gonna be using heated grips. In cold weather, blasting into the wind. Those wires in there aren't gonna get any hotter than the wiring under the hood of your truck, certainly, positively not any hotter than all the wiring crap in there between your jugs going to all your sensors and other crap in there.
Lastly of course, the worst case scenario is a plethora of blown fuses five or ten years or longer down the road. Considering harleys poor record concerning the longevity of their heated grips, I suspect that the grips will quit working long before any wiring gets fried, and if there were any issues with the "cooking" of the wires in there they would be found when the grips are replaced.
DougJ