some body should hang the e.p.a. and it's only going to get worse.what a pain nothing should be made to run that lean.

 

I have the FuelPak and have no problems with it. You do need to have a free flowing A/C though. The FuelPak is programmed to work with a free flowing A/C.

 

Minton of American Rider in one of his recent articles aboutAC and Slip On's said that the High Flow AC doesn't help the power( std. engine)until you reach high RPM's while the pipes like the SE slip on's help in mid range. So it may be possible the the standard AC will run okay with the Fuel Pak until you get the rpm's up there.

 

I can vouch for that somewhat. I've only ridden my bike on a couple of short runs since I installed the A/C and fuelpak but yesterday is the first time I got up to "6th gear speed". I was completely impressed with the difference in how it ran in 5th gear and then on up into 6th at about 65 mph. Wow, talk about smooth and quick... Also, I noticed a difference on the bottom and middle parts when I changed to the V&H pipes before even adding the A/C and fuelpak. Throttle response down there was immediately noticeable.

 

I'm gonna p*ss someone off with this, but oh well:

There are certain "rules" about your air-fuel set-up. HOWEVER, so long as you don't get any more sophisticated than slip-ons and a better air breather, the Fuelpak beats everything out there on the market right now by price, and ease of install/maintenance. Believe me, I've done the research. I also wanted to do it myself, like everything else on my bike.

Can you dyno your bike with the fuelpak installed? Yup. Can't change anything on it from the provided maps, so it's not a tweaking toy like the PC or SERT. Do you need to dyno your bike with it? Nope. Even with the electronic invasion of the HD, a well-running bike, with light brown plugs, is all you need to know you're running where you ought to be. If your engine pops, backfires, and runs rough...you'll know something is up. You can go any which way you like at that time. But if it's running well.....don't fix it if it ain't broke.

The SERT and other aftermarket units that run double the money prey on those seeking perfection,a wilingness to part with their hard-earned money, and tweaking for the sake of tweaking in some cases all for a piece of paper with numbers and lines. That's all.

Keep it simple: Run it clean, listen to it,watch your fuel use, keep the 3 resorvoirs full of clean lubricant,and look at your plugs now and then. Then just ride the heck out of it!

 

Not pissing me off,[&:] I vote for flynavy's answer as the best all-around solution![&:]

 

I agree also, I think Fly wrote what i was trying to say.Internal combustion engines aren't rocket science, its pretty easy to tell if its not running right and what the problem is.

 

No you don't necessarily need a fuel pak if just doing slip-ons, but if you want good sound you might want to consider Quiet baffles for the V&H (still loud but deeper), or Rhinehart slip-ons, even hear Cycle Shack makes a good sounding slip-on.

Now, the following may p*ss off some who have become "married" to their solution(s), and to each his own I always say. SO FEEL FREE TO IGNORE IT!! This is just my take (and actually that of many long term harley owners as well). As an educator for over 35 years, facts, unbiased research, and long term experience of others I trust, all have taught me not to cheap out with the latest 'fad' when it comes to performance modifications, and has led me to the following observation:

Only reason to do a fuel pak (not my personal recommendation, but then you didn't ask -LOL) or another fuel management system is when you go to a stage 1 intake with freer flowing exhaust. Down the road you might want to look into it as the combo of better breathing pipes and intake can really wake up your engine. Some clearly are happy with something that runs "good enough". I personally want the best it can be - so as I've stated before (in other threads), I choose the SE Stage 1 intake w/K&N filter, full exhaust V&H system w/Quiet baffles, SERT, and got my bike dyno'ed after it was broken in. Got great pricing on the parts and labor, way lower than list, so the outlay wasn't horrible for what I got. I researched high and low, and spoke with long time real "experts" that tune bikes for a living every day, and this is what I came up with. And I know myself well enough that I doubt I would ever feel my bike was "finished". For sure some day I will be changing pipes, A/C cover, maybe even engine mods, as the spirit moves me. So to me, I saved money by not "cheaping out" with less costly (but only by $100 or so in my case) intermediate limited (in the long run) semi-solutions that fit down stream of the bike's computer. I went with what I would call "value" and got a great running bike, long term reliability, quality proven parts, full HD warranty, etc for not much more than those "other" solutions.

Sorry to rant but I'm getting really tired of all this and couldn't take it anymore. There, I feel better now!

 

thanks for all the advice and opinions its now all as clear as mud!!!!
seriously though,cheers for everyones input its much appreciated
cheers
mick

 

I thought we made our opinions, as fuelpak owners, fairly clear. If ALL you are EVER going to do is stage 1, fuelpak is appropriate and sufficient. If you EVER plan on doing more than that, DON'T settle for a fuelpak. I can enthusiastically say that I NEVER plan on going further with my bike. So, I wasn't "cheaping out" and don't feel like I have a less than adequate solution. I think I have what I need now and in the future and need to go no further. For me, SERT, PCIII, or anything else is simply overpriced overkill.

I've looked down the road - and what I have is it. I have no need for a dragster. And no need for a SERT - ever.