New chip needed for stage 1?
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New chip needed for stage 1?
Stopped by the Dealer yesterday. I wanted to thank the salesman who sold me my bike. (It was my first motorcycle at 55 yrs old) Tpld him I shoulda done it years ago. Anyway, he asked me what changes I was making and showed him. I told him that after the new year I was going to Stage 1 it. I want V & H slipons and aK & N but I wasn't sure what kind of fuel magement system yet.I asked him if they could do the download and how much. He told me about &150 for the download and about $100.00 for the "chip". This is the first time I have heard anything about a chip being necessary.
Was he yanking my chain?
Was he yanking my chain?
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From: underground
RE: New chip needed for stage 1?
i had stage 1 download done for 60.00 labor and 125.00 for download.wasted my money i bought a p.c.3 from fuelmoto with map already loaded for 269.00 bike runs cooler noticable more power than download.
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From: Port Coquitlam B.C.
RE: New chip needed for stage 1?
There are 3 Harley dealers in my area. Two of those have dyno's. When I went to the SE air cleaner I talked to all 3 about fuel management. Two said as long as you stay with only the air cleaner and slip on pipes there is no need for anything other then the factory download. The other dealer told me they suggest "every" bike they sell should be dyno'd. I went with the download and the bikes runs great.
I've said this before and I am not flaming anyone, but alot of people on this forum love to tell other people how they should modify their bike but never post anything saying why they are qualified to make these recommendations. Find a bike shop that you trust and will stand behind their work if they make a mistake and go with them.
I've said this before and I am not flaming anyone, but alot of people on this forum love to tell other people how they should modify their bike but never post anything saying why they are qualified to make these recommendations. Find a bike shop that you trust and will stand behind their work if they make a mistake and go with them.
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From: By the "Betty water and the Wire"
RE: New chip needed for stage 1?
You don't have to take anyone(on this boards) advice, but if you put a hi-flow air cleaner and slip-ons you will be running too lean. A engine is a 'air pump', if you increase the amount of air that will go thru it, with the AC and mufflers, you do need more fuel. Your download did increase the amount of fuel that's going thru your motor.
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From: Port Coquitlam B.C.
RE: New chip needed for stage 1?
HK - Thanks, that is my point. The download is all that is needed for an A/C and slip ons. Yet every time someone posts this question the answers always come back that they "might as well" get a PCIII or some other fuel management system when it is not required. Ever wonder why it's a PCIII. What happened to the PC and PCII. My bet is that they had to update them because they didn't work right. I wouldn't have a clue how to determine what air/fuel ratio is needed for every rpm/load combination that my bike will be subjected to. So why not leave it to the people that designed it. If you make further changes to the motor then yes, get a fuel manager, but not for just a stage 1.
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From: Louisville, CO
RE: New chip needed for stage 1?
I bought my '07 Streetbob used with 300 miles with a stage 1 and V&H shortshots and supposedly the original owner did the download. Popped on decel like crazy and I noticed the ends of the sparkplug wires going to the plugswere discolored which can't be good. I was worried how lean and hot my engine was getting.
I replaced the SE AC with a K&N and got the PCIII premapped by Fuelmoto for less than $300. Runs great. No dyno as of yet but may do it at a later time. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't damaging the engine and wanted to get rid of the popping which I did. Big difference.
I realize you're just doing the slipons but for a little extra money I'd go with the PCIII.You could always do the download 1st but it sounds like that's about $250 and if you decide to go with full pipes or other mods you'd have to change it. Fuelmoto will give you free maps.
I replaced the SE AC with a K&N and got the PCIII premapped by Fuelmoto for less than $300. Runs great. No dyno as of yet but may do it at a later time. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't damaging the engine and wanted to get rid of the popping which I did. Big difference.
I realize you're just doing the slipons but for a little extra money I'd go with the PCIII.You could always do the download 1st but it sounds like that's about $250 and if you decide to go with full pipes or other mods you'd have to change it. Fuelmoto will give you free maps.
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RE: New chip needed for stage 1?
anybody that says astage one download is as good or better than a pc111 hasnt tried one or just full of sh!!!t.
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From: Port Coquitlam B.C.
RE: New chip needed for stage 1?
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anybody that says astage one download is as good or better than a pc111 hasnt tried one or just full of sh!!!t.
anybody that says astage one download is as good or better than a pc111 hasnt tried one or just full of sh!!!t.
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RE: New chip needed for stage 1?
jeffbcn, the Stage I download(150.00-download and 30 min. labor for mine) is calibrated only for SE AC and street legalMoCo slip-ons! I'm running SE II's and still have some popping on decel. So due to the fact that it is still running lean(download is EPA compliant), I have chosen to go to a fuel management system. 200.00+ wasted