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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 10:56 PM
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My latest build included S&S adjustable pushrods. The other day I took the bike into the local HD mechanic for some quick advice. He immediately saw the pushrods and declared "I never use adjustable pushrods. It's not a matter of if, but when they'll fail and you'll be stranded on the side of the road."

I have never heard of an incidence of them failing, but I'm not very experienced. So has anyone here heard of adjustable pushrods failing?

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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 11:27 PM
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This is ancient history, but I used adjustables on a Wideglide shovelhead with Andrews "B" grind to up the torque a tad for riding double. Toured all over the place. Loved the bike. 36000 miles later a top end job was in order due to the poor rocker geometry (a shovel head problem we all had). - no probs with the push rods, but it wasn't run hard. 65 most of the time except for passing. Thats where the vibes slept. The O.L. liked to cruze but didn't like speed.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 01:05 AM
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Steve, the only pushrod failures I've read about are the lock nuts fracturing due to over tightening. I think the comments were specifically directed at S&S adjustables but I could be wrong about that. That's a problem that should show up in the first few hundred miles. Other than that they are just as mechanically sound as the stock pushrods if installed correctly.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 08:13 AM
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Do a search on adjustables and you will see that it happens. You wouldn't catch me with adjustables either. It isn't that much of a job pulling the rockers for a cam change, stock ones are lighter and there's no chance of them coming loose = no surprises in the middle of nowhere. I can't understand using them to save a little time, I enjoy working on my bike I just don't like doing it on the side of the road in the dark.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2011 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by paul s
Do a search on adjustables and you will see that it happens. You wouldn't catch me with adjustables either. It isn't that much of a job pulling the rockers for a cam change, stock ones are lighter and there's no chance of them coming loose = no surprises in the middle of nowhere. I can't understand using them to save a little time, I enjoy working on my bike I just don't like doing it on the side of the road in the dark.
Called Woods to get advice on pushrods since I'm going to install 555's.
He strongly advised against using the stock pushrods and told me to use adjustables. I have no problem taking the top end off, but when the manufacturer insists on using a certain type of rod (any adjustable not stock) i tend to listen.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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Years ago I had a 1000cc sportster, bored, ported, cams and all that, never had a problem with adjustable pushrods and I beat the hell out of it.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2011 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FDHOG
Called Woods to get advice on pushrods since I'm going to install 555's.
He strongly advised against using the stock pushrods and told me to use adjustables. I have no problem taking the top end off, but when the manufacturer insists on using a certain type of rod (any adjustable not stock) i tend to listen.
I've never heard of problems with adjustables either, and I sure as hell trust Woods opinion!
 
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Old Apr 17, 2011 | 12:24 AM
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"I never use adjustable pushrods. It's not a matter of if, but when they'll fail and you'll be stranded on the side of the road."
Just what was he talking about when he said fail? Was he saying the jam nut would back off and they would lose adjustment or was he saying they would break, as in bend or physically break? I have put tens of thousands of miles on several different makes of adjustable pushrods with no problems. I am currently using SE tapers and have had no problems. I ride my bike alot, commute to work and just for pleasure, average more than 10k a year. I have run adjustables on every bike I've owned since my '84 FXR. I don't really think there is a problem with this unless they are not installed correctly. Besides that, my heads are milled .050" so I have to use adjustables. The porter didn't want to go to .050, just .030" because the mechs at the dealership could get pushrods .030" under standard length, but not .050" under standard. Apparently the dealer mechanic couldn't figure out how to adjust adjustable pushrods. Go figure!
 
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I have seen one fail on a TC with a 103 kit and stage 4. Undid itself at high speed...messy...
 
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Old Apr 17, 2011 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Spanners39
I have seen one fail on a TC with a 103 kit and stage 4. Undid itself at high speed...messy...
I've never had a problem over the years with several different adjustables until recently:

I replaced the tensioners ( '00 FLTRSEI,) with a complete gear drive kit last January and used S/E Adjustables in the build. ( Just replaced the heads last spring and didn't want to buy another set of rocker gaskets.)

A couple of hundred miles later and on the way home from work, I heard the ticking. Stopped for a moment, and knowing I was less than 10 miles from home, I headed for the house at 35 mph.

Ticking became clacking and I lost the front cyclinder within 3 minutes. I could smell gas so I knew it was an intake. Pulled the pushrod cover when I got home and was surprised to find the locknut gone and the pushrod totally collapsed. I could see maybe 2 or 3 threads of the inner rod still showing, so it had wound in a full 1 1/2". ( No damage to the new Black Ops lifter. )

Later I pulled the cam cover and found the jam nut in good shape, not cracked or broken but I replaced both nuts on the front cylinder anyway with much more substantiol nuts from a machine shop and used blue locktie on all four.

Its 5000 miles later and no problems, but I still carry 3 wrenches and a short screwdriver in my glove box!
 
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